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I haven't watch the video in question, but during TS3, I felt like it wasn't as original as the previous two and wasn't "necessary". Both TS2 and TS3 feel like the makers said, "Andy isn't going to play with Woody and Buzz forever, right? Isn't there more tale to tell?" But TS1 basically established that a boy never forgets or stops loving his toys even tho he stops playing with them, and that's enough to close the story. (It's not like every drama ends with the main character dying even tho, you know, everybody dies.)
Regardless, TS3 is a good story well told and is emotionally effective.
This is true - there don't seem to be many examples of the "guy sets out to conquer an enemy, then joins with them to fight back against his own people" plotline, outside the modern era. Other movies with similar elements that I can think of are Little Big Man, Quigley Down Under and Enemy Mine (I give Enemy Mine special props for putting a rather unique spin on the "falling in love with the native girl" subplot. :-)
Supposedly the earliest example of "Wait a sec - Indians are people, too" was Broken Arrow in 1950, which also has a number of elements in common with the Ferngully plotline. From the '50's onward, fighting Indians gradually became less of a thing in Westerns, the genre became more about gunslingers and shootouts.
Even so, there were still occasional throwbacks like Zulu, which was a good old fashioned "let's kill the indigenous for the crime of being here when we invaded" yarn, but those are extremely rare now that empire-building is seen as a mostly negative thing.
I watched it. i agree with some stuff, I disagree with others.
My general view on TS3 is that it's... alright. It has it's moments, and it's wraps up the series well enough. But it's definitely not worth the praise it's gotten. I never did understand the massive windfall of adoration it got, it just kinda felt like another decently made animated movie. So it definitely doesn't /suck/ but it's also not amazing.
I like the reference to Rango he made, I didn't get around to Rango until a couple months ago, and it's easily on my short list of best animated movies ever. It just has this weird matureness and willingness to not talk down to the audience that you don't see in those kinds of movies these days.
No and Armond White is a contrarian for the sake of being one.
White's one of the few true cultural critics in a sea of entertainment writers crusading for that valuable ground between the vapid assessment of a work as "good" or "bad".
Armond White is a cultural critic in the same way as the raving homeless guy screaming about the gubmint on a street corner is a political pundit.
EDIT: Although, given the state of political punditry, maybe that's a bad analogy since the homeless guy actually is on about the same level.
Question...who da fuck is Armond White, and how the hell did he get into this conversation?
Armond White is an interesting case. I really doubt that he actually believes most of the stuff he writes, but damn it if he doesn't commit to those insane ramblings of his. They're so informed by artistic and cinematic history that it's hard to dismiss him as crazy.
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