Topic: Star Trek, Spiderman, Superman, now Batman, Why not Star Wars, too?

Movies that have come out very recently are being remade, possibly unnecessarily, some might argue.  With all these movies being rebooted, why couldn't they remake the Star Wars prequels?  If they are going to remake the Batman movies (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/2 … 42049.html) they certainly can do it with the Prequels. This could be Lucas's chance to redeem himself and make Star Wars what it was suppose to be.

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I think Lucas made it clear a long time ago that he has his own idea of what Star Wars is, and isn't much interested in what the fans would like to see.

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Plus, he has to get all the 3D versions of the ones that already exist out first....

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Namely, cause Lucas is still alive.

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Also, I wouldn't call new Batman, Spiderman, or Superman movies remakes unless they're reusing the exact same plots as the earlier ones. They're just a new version of the characters. Some people see no difference, I know, but it'd be like saying each time they change the James Bond actor that they're remaking the first movie.

I also get annoyed when a new adaptation of a book is called a remake of an earlier adaptation, but that's just me smile

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Yeah, the whole thing about the prequels and SEs is that those ARE, in Lucas' mind, what Star Wars was supposed to be.

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You don't think he's gotten the message by now, that it could have been so much better?

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The thing about anatomy is, the neck acts like a filter for all reason. When the neck engorges past the point of the chin, your ability to hear dissenting information is compromised beyond repair.

Hm. That was mean. He's not here, fuck 'im.

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FireFighter214 wrote:

You don't think he's gotten the message by now, that it could have been so much better?

To be fair, in art it's not about "better" but in clearly reflecting the will of the artist. You want better, you look at the work of the better artists smile If he was a musician we'd be respecting his not pandering to the masses even if he was no longer creating music we liked.

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FireFighter214 wrote:

You don't think he's gotten the message by now, that it could have been so much better?

He's made billions of dollars and broke box office records with the prequels. He's gotten the only message that matters, loud and clear.

Invid wrote:

If he was a musician we'd be respecting his not pandering to the masses even if he was no longer creating music we liked.

You might. I'd be saying fuck that guy just the same as now.

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About the only thing I have against him is his treatment of the non-special edition originals, but I know of authors who have done similar re-writes and not kept the originals in print and I don't hate them. Hmm, I think maybe for me what can be ignored doesn't have to be hated smile

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DorkmanScott wrote:
FireFighter214 wrote:

You don't think he's gotten the message by now, that it could have been so much better?

He's made billions of dollars and broke box office records with the prequels. He's gotten the only message that matters, loud and clear.

But if they were remade, it would only mean billions of more dollars, on second thought, maybe he's had enough and the whole thing would be the cinema equivalent of beating a dead horse.

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FireFighter214 wrote:

But if they were remade, it would only mean billions of more dollars.

Why remake an entire movie when you can put out special editions and 3D versions and make all that for barely any work at all?

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Plus the opening up of the post Jedi continuity for spin off novels and the like not only brings in money with no work on the part of Lucas, but also satisfies some of what people would want in a remake. When Star Wars dies off, either due to over exposure or just changing tastes, then it may be time for a remake. Then again, most of what we'd want to do in one can just as easily be done in an original story...

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Matt Vayda wrote:

I think Lucas made it clear a long time ago that he has his own idea of what Star Wars is, and isn't much interested in what the fans would like to see.

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The evidence shows that Lucas is quite interested in what fans would like to see.  He just isn't inclined to make whatever that is.   (I wouldn't be, either.   O noes OMG O noes, let me put all my plans on hold RIGHT NOW so I can address the concerns of MangaLuvver34@gmail )

But on the other hand, unlike Spiderman, Batman, etc, which can be rebooted endlessly - sometimes grotesquely - because they're commodities owned by corporations (which protect those brandnames with varying degrees of vehemence), Lucasfilm is still privately owned by LucasMan himself, and against the advice of counsel he's made it his policy to let fans reinterpret his stuff themselves in all kinds of ways, and share those interpretations with the world in ways that publicly-held corporations would have - and often have - taken legal action to crush.

3/4ths of the core DIF panel have personally committed actionable copyright infringement of Lucasfilm's intellectual property (and Teague helped).   Instead of prosecution Lucasfilm has given 1/2 of the panel awards for so doing.

So I highly doubt Star Wars The Official Thing will get handed to anyone while George is still alive, but as a tradeoff he's said quite specifically that anyone who wants to do their own take on the thing themselves can do so UNofficially, and he's been enjoying seeing the results.

A compliment I get quite often about Pink Five is "this feels more like original Star Wars than the official prequels do", which is nice because that's exactly what I was going for.   George isn't going to make the movies I want to see, and he doesn't have to.  But he let me make my own, gave me two awards and some cash for it, and let me remix my soundtrack at his nice ranch place.   Sony would have just sent me a C&D.

So maybe I don't like his recent work, but the guy himself I like a lot.

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To be fair Paramount has been almost as open about fan creations as Lucas, and in fact provided the model. Oh, now and then they'll try and reign things in and exert more control, but you only have to look at Star Trek Phase II to see what they'll allow so long as you're not charging (they just released their 5th episode, and have 3 or 4 already filmed ones post production will supposedly finish this year including The Child and Kitumba)

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Why, precisely, would anyone want more Star Wars?  I mean, if they were to reboot that shit hard- and I mean, Seth McFarlane rebooting the Flintstones hard- then maybe there's a point.  But if I were put in charge of a new Star Wars franchise, my notes would put me in John Peters territory.

When.

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Remake the prequels? No way. We're far more likely to see the original trilogy remade. You can tell that Lucas is just itching to do it. He's clearly a person that's not happy with those films. I'll put money down that the bluray versions coming this autumn will see more unnecessary changes.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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I'm all for a prequel reboot, sure enough, but I think it's rather safe to say Lucas himself will never do it. Hell, it's even been 12 years since TPM, and it hasn't gotten its SE treatment yet. Just wait another 8 years or so to get that, and another 20 or so to make sure your optical media shelf contains nothing BUT star wars films in all shapes and varieties. Hell, maybe in 40 years(if the dude's still alive, obviously), we'll get a ultimate, final, special, directors 4D edition with all 6 films, in various states of quality. I highly doubt it, though.

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I think the prequels were actually too tied down by the originals. There were characters and places that were in them only because they were in the original films. They didn't really need to be there, but because they obviously felt like they had to be in there they had to write around them and it kinda broke the movie. We didn't need to see R2 or 3P0 in the prequels. We didn't even really need to see Yoda. I always imagined that if you got to a certain point in your training you'd have to make a pilgrimage to Dagobah to train with Yoda and truly become a Jedi. You could have just stuck him into a bit in the middle somewhere instead of making him a major character. I also didn't think there would ever be so many Jedi or light sabers. A lot of stuff in those movies - especially a lot of R2 / 3P0's moments - felt like something you'd see in a fan film rather than something you'd see in an official star wars movie.

Actually, those films truly felt like over-budgeted fan films to me in general. Bad writing, bad acting, bad directing, lots of lines and scenes ripped from the originals, lack of consistent tone, etc. Everything about those movies feels fake, from the CG backgrounds and characters to the impractical costumes, stilted and unnatural dialogue and over-choreographed fight sequences. The originals had all of this crazy looking stuff, but it was solid and real and the actors sold it all very well.

Honestly, I tried to like TPM in the theaters and gave it the benefit of the doubt up until 3P0 showed up and spent a good 5 minutes repeating several lines from the original films. At that point I just thought "oh...  that's what this movie's gonna be, then..."

However, I had no idea that Lucas was so cool with his properties. I mean, I know there's a lot of fan films, but I didn't know they were handing out awards for making that stuff. So the only thing preventing fans from remaking the original trilogy themselves is just a lack of motivation, time and money...

Didn't one of you do your own rewrite of the prequels? I'd like to read that. I've thought about rewriting them, but my version would probably be almost entirely different from the ones they made. There's very little in those movies worth salvaging.

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Yep, navigate a few posts back in the blog to the post 'The Alternate Prequels.' They're outlines, not scripts, but enough to get a sense of a different plot.

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