Re: Suggest a movie!
It's easily in my top 5 animated movies of all time.
Yeaaaaahhhh... you don't want us doing a RANGO commentary.
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It's easily in my top 5 animated movies of all time.
Yeaaaaahhhh... you don't want us doing a RANGO commentary.
Yeah, Rango is a good idea. I think Trey really liked it. I remember having some sort of a problem with it.
Need an animated double header-Rango and Emperor's New Groove or Ratatouille
OH MY GOD I LOVE THE EMPERORS NEW GROOVE
OH MY GOD I LOVE THE EMPERORS NEW GROOVE
Need an animated double header-Rango and Emperor's New Groove
I approve of this.
BigDamnArtist wrote:It's easily in my top 5 animated movies of all time.
Yeaaaaahhhh... you don't want us doing a RANGO commentary.
Well now I definitely want you to do one.
Dorkman wrote:BigDamnArtist wrote:It's easily in my top 5 animated movies of all time.
Yeaaaaahhhh... you don't want us doing a RANGO commentary.
Well now I definitely want you to do one.
You're happy to hear them rip into a film you love? Braver man than me, BDA
You're happy to hear them rip into a film you love? Braver man than me, BDA
We don't do it to be mean. We do it to show that it's wrong to like things.
We have to learn these important lessons in life, Trey, I agree.
Haven't suggested Synecdoche in a couple years. So I will again.
Haven't suggested Synecdoche in a couple years. So I will again.
Ugh. I thought we were friends.
You're happy to hear them rip into a film you love? Braver man than me, BDA
It's not so much bravery, as....insatiable uncontrollable curiosity mixed with a dash of pure refined bafflement.
...also bravery.
Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2013-02-10 00:57:40)
paulou wrote:Haven't suggested Synecdoche in a couple years. So I will again.
Ugh. I thought we were friends.
I just want to know exactly how wrong you are.
I like Rango quite a bit, but not enough to really fight for it. It wins on amazing visual design, a kickass score, and being generally darker and weirder than I would ever expect that kind of movie to be. The story and pacing is a mess, but when that movie is working (apocalypse weasels, raising arizona crow chase, crossing the road into david lynchville), it's REALLY fucking good.
Jimmy B wrote:You're happy to hear them rip into a film you love? Braver man than me, BDA
We don't do it to be mean. We do it to show that it's wrong to like things.
DiF-here to crush your dreams with reality.
Also, wouldn't mind hearing a commentary on Blade. Don't know if that has been suggested before.
Blade 2 would be even better. I mean it's only the most awesome Comic Book movie of all time. Would be good to get some positive Del Toro talk after the hatred of Pans Labyrinth.
Though I admit that Blade 1 probably makes more sense for DIF from a historical context, as it largely kicked off the modern day Comic Book movie as we know it.
Second that...
The two biggest "dropped the ball" episodes for me are Looper and Pans Labyrinth.
"Dropped the ball?"
Sadly yeah!
The reason why I fell in love with DIF was the "How did this get made" attitude of the show. The storys behind the making of. The technical stuff, cameras, software, techniques etc. Being a vfx heavy was a bonus that just made my day.
Take Looper episode for example. Instead of being a show that talks about movies, slanting towards the technical aspects and behind the scenes history of the production the show was just another show with film critics.
Hanging on your own definitions on what makes a good movie (magic beans, "prerfect movie" etc. you focused on your own feeling towards the movie (instead of doing that in the beginning and at the end) for the whole episode.
In the Looper episode you were so exited to rip on the movie because it did not fit into what you consider the only way to tell a story. I believe you were so focused on the mechanics you totally overlooked both what the filmmaker was talking about (redemption) and you skated over the filmmaking elements in your fervor to beat the move up for not being the movie you would have made.
I strongly disagree, and I think you mistake what DIF is, and always has been about.
DIF has, past the first 20 episodes or so, been primarily about the story structure, plot mechanics, and directorial choices that make a film work or not work. There have certainly been digressions about how particular things were filmed, but that has never been the core of the commentaries, except for some specific episodes where Trey had worked on the movies.
DIF isn't typically in a position to talk about how something was made, because more often then not they have had no involvement in a film. VFX talk will get mentioned as that is the primary field of the commentators, but is never really a primary focus.
The thing that separates DIF from most film podcasts is not necessarily what they're doing (providing opinions on whether they like or dislike a film), but that they're able to very specifically articulate why that's the case, citing specific evidence from the films, and offering suggestions on what may have worked better.
In this regard I think Looper and Prometheus are some of the best episodes DIF has done. Can't comment on Pans Labyrinth as I haven't seen the film or listened to the DIF for it.
Last edited by bullet3 (2013-02-10 07:29:07)
Maybe my last post should have the caveat that this is based on how I experience the show.
I'm glad for you to have found your perfect podcast but I do not experience DIF as a podcast with film critics, which are dime a dosen. If you are right then I would argue the real value of the DIF lies in the anomalies.
I'm a little bit afraid of this attitude that anyone, be it a single person or a group, can distill some kind of universal truth about how to tell a story. It kind of dismisses the cultural variations of how stories are told and argues that there is only one "right" way to tell a story. It brings to mind the Hollywoodization of storytelling which is then again a form of American exceptionalism that I'm not comfortable with.
I'm starting to wonder if you actually listen to the show very much. Not as an attack or anything, just... I'm not sure where you're getting this impression of what the show is.
At any rate, we've got an episode coming up (already recorded) all about where we see ourselves in the context of storytelling and criticism, so we can debate it in the release thread whenever that goes up if we feel the need, and let this thread go back to movie suggestions.
Why this question? In this hostile tone? Is it because you take my thought on the show as a attack on DIF? Because I like the show and you guys a lot. But I don't agree with some of the things you talk about as gospel?
EDIT: Dorkman: Some how I only saw "I'm starting to wonder if you actually listen to the show very much." as an answer. That's why I implied the hostile tone. When I replied the whole answer popped up without edit tag to your post.
Last edited by AshDigital (2013-02-10 08:14:40)
Ash, not to take anything away from DiF, but have you checked out the fxguide podcasts? They focus on technical aspects of vfx and production, and don't deal with story.
In regards to DiF, I've always found it to be a hybrid with focus on story. One thing about newer episodes is the lack of direct experience means story critique comprises most of the discussion.
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