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77 (edited by oTom 2013-01-05 14:00:40)

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This was the dumbest movie I've seen in years. Comically bad. So overwheliming bad that I don't know how to approach it. Like. Look at it. It should be self evident.

EDIT: 94% on Rotten Tomatoes!? Wow. I'd have guessed 60-65%.

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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79 (edited by bullet3 2013-01-05 15:35:33)

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I have a theory about the state of sci-fi filmmaking falling so hard off a cliff, that movies that would 20 years ago have been called mediocre at best now get hailed as sci-fi masterpieces. Also see Source Code. This also falls into a more annoying recent trend, where a movie being complicated automatically means it's smart and well-written. The art of movies that execute really well on a simple concept has mostly died away, and then when an actual masterpiece like Dredd comes out, no-one goes to see it and people write it off as being dumb and simple. That movie doesn't try to show off and be clever and elaborate every 3 minutes, but instead has a complete and confident understanding of what it's trying to accomplish, a cohesive sci-fi vision (which feels fresh), and a real strong discipline about sticking to it's throughline.

Edit: Before DocSub yells at me, I should clarify I still like both films, I just think there's a double-standard both critically and commercially at play, and it bugs me that simplicity is automatically seen as a negative.

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80 (edited by Dorkman 2013-01-05 15:43:32)

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That's an interesting idea for sure, but I have to again disagree that Dredd is anything but dumb trash. I just don't see this brilliant movie that everyone else apparently did.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Well, it doesn't make it smart, either. Certainly doesn't make it a masterpiece on the level of Die Hard. Die Hard also  had funny, clever dialogue and well-rounded, likable heroes and villains. Dredd has none of that. Saying "Well, it doesn't do all these bad things!" isn't the same thing as "It does all these good things!"

I'll also say that I thought Looper was perfectly straightforward, but that's kind of subjective, I guess.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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It just seems so easy to me, though. It's not hard to tie up all your loose ends when there are only two ends to begin with. Dredd doesn't want to be anything more, and that's not all that bad, I guess. But Looper is going for big ideas and moral quandaries and complex plotting, and even if it doesn't nail it, I admire it a hell of a lot more for trying.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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I actually can't wait to pick up that Blu-ray next week and am very excited for whenever DIF does a commentary on it

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As soon as they introduced mutant powers I knew it was going to fall apart. And it did.

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For some reason, I hated the slo-mo in Dredd and actually got irritated during them (well, the latter ones at least). It was so slow that I began to lose interest and wish it would just get on with it - and then some were just unnecessary to begin with. By the time of the second superfluous sequence, my 'goodwill' had been used up. Otherwise, it's a great movie.

With regards to Looper, I confess I'd forgotten about it, to that point where I wouldn't include in a top 10 list because it would slip my mind entirely...

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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