Topic: Little Shop of Horrors

Hey folks, Teague here. One of our goals here at the e-commune that is Down in Front is to expose you to things you might never have known about, if not for a few friends in your head holding your hand. So, go out and get Little Shop of Horrors, and watch with us. Oh my god, do Trey, Mike and I love this movie. Far beyond the level that society deems appropriate in this century. We just love it. Brian, however, had never seen it – rather, experienced its glory – and here at Down in Front, that combination makes for a good ol’ fashioned commentary.

Let us know if you have any technical problems or quibbles with this episode, it’s the first using our patented Awesome QualityTM technology, which should provide you with a pristine listening experience at half the file size. Little Shop is to Starship Troopers what crack is to cocaine, so enjoy throwing your lives down the toilet and living in squalor here with us – and Little Shop of Horrors.

Teague Chrystie

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From the new MPAA ratings announcement:

Little Shop of Horrors: The Intended Cut
Rated PG-13 For mature thematic material including comic horror violence, substance abuse, language and sex references.
NOTE: EDITED VERSION. CONTENT IS DIFFERENT FROM "PG-13" VERSION, BULLETIN NO. 932 (11/10/86).
Release Date: Upcoming Home Video Release

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It looks like they are reading an extended cut,... with the alternate ending!

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Teague Chrystie

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Well holy goddamn. This is shaping up to be a pretty good year.

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UPDATE: Extended Cut Blu-ray to be released on October 9th, 2012....

http://www.dvdfile.com/news/articles/17 … pdate-0612
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Shop-Horro … of+horrors
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No DVD version?

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

No DVD version?

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DocSub: http://www.amazon.com/Little-Shop-Horro … vd_title_0

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Interesting. I'm curious as to how they actually end the movie. The footage on the original DVD release, in addition to being in black and white, ended with a series of unfinished puppet shots of the plants attacking. There was no final edit of the last minute or so.

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Invid wrote:

Interesting. I'm curious as to how they actually end the movie. The footage on the original DVD release, in addition to being in black and white, ended with a series of unfinished puppet shots of the plants attacking. There was no final edit of the last minute or so.

A cut of the original ending exists -- it was shown to the test audience which resulted in its being reshot, and a fully-produced version of the original finale number "Don't Feed the Plants" has always been on the soundtrack. More than likely it never advanced beyond workprint form, with incomplete effects, but as I understand it the whole point is that the restored ending on the Bluray went back to the original negatives and finished the effects.

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In the original ending, the plants win and take over the world. So the ending is probably just a montage of the attacking plant shots set to the closing number.

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There are black-and-white clips of the original ending on Youtube. It's pretty much what Dorkman described.

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I watched this with DIF yesterday. It's a really fun movie that still works as a kind of horror film. The opening "Skid Row/Downtown" number is just amazing, and there's hardly a bad song in the bunch. (For Red Dwarf fans, one of the doo-wop cats in the flashback origin sequence is Cat himself, Danny John-Jules.)

It's interesting how Steve Martin's dentist number is similar to his "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" number in Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. (Now that would be a challenge for the panel.)

Bravo! More musicals!

Also, more Chinese shopkeeper regulation! Did Gremlins teach us nothing?!

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My memory of the DVD original ending had the end song just going on, and on, and on, over the unfinished shots, with Oz in the commentary saying that they never did tighten it. Could be wrong, though, as it has been awhile smile

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Zarban wrote:

(For Red Dwarf fans, one of the doo-wop cats in the flashback origin sequence is Cat himself, Danny John-Jules.)

Yup, he was a dancer in The Great Muppet Caper and two of the Fireys in Labyrinth too. smile

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Jimmy B wrote:
Zarban wrote:

(For Red Dwarf fans, one of the doo-wop cats in the flashback origin sequence is Cat himself, Danny John-Jules.)

Yup, he was a dancer in The Great Muppet Caper and two of the Fireys in Labyrinth too. smile

I think it's safe to say that he always managed to steal the scene in Red Dwarf, and it's impresive that if you are looking, he can even do it in his small parts in other projects. He always jumped out at me in... Blade 2 in a "OMG It's him!, wait what were they talking about?" kind of way.

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He's being do that on UK TV for years big_smile

Here he is in The Great Muppet Caper, just for fun-

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http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/08/e … ors-video/

Awesome! Can't wait to get it tomorrow!

Could this bring on a DiF R-do commentary to end October?!  wink

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So, got the Blurry, checked out the "intended" ending. Acknowledging that maybe I just prefer the "Love Conquers All" version of LITTLE SHOP because it's what I grew up with, and that perhaps it will grow on me with further viewings, at this point I have to agree with the test audience from 1985 -- the original ending is just too sad, particularly Audrey's death. While her wish to be fed to the plant so she can finally be "somewhere that's green" is a powerful thematic tie, it's just played so straight and somber, and drawn out, that it sucks all the fun out of the movie and it can't really recover. I can see there being a way to do it tongue in cheek that lets it be sad but still kind of silly, but that's not how they play it.

I was apparently wrong to say the "Mean Green Mother" number was created to replace the original ending, because it's in the director's cut as well, with some subtle differences, and of course the not-so-subtle change that Seymour loses.

The real meat of the restored original ending, of course, is the full-on B-movie finale with a whole slew of giant plants taking over the world to "Don't Feed the Plants." While it was cool to see, and restored to match the film perfectly, it feels more like it was constructed by the marketing department than by filmmakers. Frank Oz wasn't, to my knowledge, involved in the restoration of the ending but rather just gave it his blessing, and the lack of creative supervision is evident. It feels like the first assembly cut (possibly due to matching the workprint), after which the director and editor would usually sit down and look for ways to trim the fat, drop redundant moments, tighten things up. That second pass seems never to have happened here, so despite the visual polish, the pacing of the ending just kind of drags and becomes more about the quantity of spectacle than the quality. They seem to have wanted to put every frame they shot for the ending into the film, which is great for wanting to give us our money's worth, but how many shots of people running terrified through the streets, intercut with laughing plants perched on buildings, do we need? It's a treat for existing fans, but not IMO a version that could stand on its own for people new to the film.

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Yeah, the black and white version that's on the original DVD, complete with Oz's commentary, was just all the unfinished puppet shots strung together to the song. We didn't even get the running crowds, so that's new smile

As far as your reaction, I think this is a difference between movies and the stage. I'm going to assume, never having seen a local production, that it ends with the entire cast of dead characters coming onto the stage to sing the end song. Sweeney Todd is the same way. This gives you an entirely different vibe than what a movie will give you. So, a combination of that, and Oz maybe taking the ending a bit too seriously. I can see him going, "OK, they wouldn't let Henson go REALLY dark with his stuff, and God knows he wants to, so I'm going to go dark with this."

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As someone who saw the stage play first, I've always been disappointed by the artificial happy ending of the movie. (and yes, all the characters do return for the final song - but as part of the plant, which in the finale grows to fill the entire stage).   

So instead of the classic Faust tragedy - don't make a deal with the Devil, because he always wins in the end - we got a rather muddled movie story of a nice guy who becomes a multiple murderer... and gets away with it.   Now THAT'S dark.  smile

But I'm not saying the original movie ending necessarily works - I've only ever seen the workprint version once, years before any DVD release, when one of the FX supervisors showed it at a conference (because he'd done all this work that nobody ever saw) so I don't remember it too clearly.   

The play ended with the suggestion that the plant was going to take over the world, but certainly didn't try to show that.      The entire play takes place at the flower shop, so just seeing that overgrown at the end felt apocalyptic enough in the theater.   Obviously they chose to "open it up" and make the movie finale more epic, but that might not have been the right choice.

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Trey wrote:

So instead of the classic Faust tragedy - don't make a deal with the Devil, because he always wins in the end - we got a rather muddled movie story of a nice guy who becomes a multiple murderer... and gets away with it.   Now THAT'S dark.  smile

I like the movie's choice. The original ending would be fun to see, but I doubt I'd prefer it.

In Marlowe's Dr. Faustus, the devil takes the doctor. But in Goethe's Faust and every other later version I can think of (The Devil and Daniel Webster; Bedazzled; Oh God, You Devil, etc.), the devil is beaten. Beating the devil is just more interesting because the protagonist is at such an obvious disadvantage.

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Splitting hairs, but the film is very careful that Seymour doesn't himself commit any murders. Scrivello kills himself and Mushnik was avoidable but it's not like Seymour shoved him into the plant. It's dicey but I agree with Zarban, it's okay that the devil gets beat in the end. Although I will admit it would have been better if Seymour had actively outsmarted the plant rather than just lucking out in discovering electricity made it asplode.

But like I said, I think my bigger problem is the execution/tone than the idea. I saw a local production many years ago and the ending didn't bother me.

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Trey wrote:

So instead of the classic Faust tragedy - don't make a deal with the Devil, because he always wins in the end - we got a rather muddled movie story of a nice guy who becomes a multiple murderer... and gets away with it.   Now THAT'S dark.  smile

*agrees with Trey*

I prefer the New/Old ending, opening up the scope into a 50's B-Monster movie.  However, I respect how well they made the released ending work when it really shouldn't.

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