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bullet3 wrote:

Any time Downey is just running around with a gun in this movie is my favorite.

Without the suit, Stark watched a woman he had a brief relationship get shot and killed. All because he was so ineffective by himself, that he couldn't prevent it.

This discussion, and the film itself, is a huge source of irritation.

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Trey wrote:

I've been trying to get this crowd to do Predator and/or Lethal Weapon since the day we started this monkeyfarm.

Along with Die Hard, that's the damn Holy Trinity of '80's action and still - no luck.  Kids today.  Meh.


Don't lump me in with them!  I measure increments of time in Shane Black script releases.

Eddie Doty

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Dave wrote:
bullet3 wrote:

Any time Downey is just running around with a gun in this movie is my favorite.

Without the suit, Stark watched a woman he had a brief relationship get shot and killed. All because he was so ineffective by himself, that he couldn't prevent it.

This discussion, and the film itself, is a huge source of irritation.

Suit or not, he wouldn't have been fast enough to stop it. He was also chained up at the time.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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His one-night stand got killed because the writers decided to kill her off, and that's how they decided to do it.

He needs the suit at times because it's an Iron Man movie and he needs to get into kerfuffles that cause him to need the suit.

We might be thinking about this too hard.

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I loved Iron Man 3.

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Sam F wrote:

His one-night stand got killed because the writers decided to kill her off, and that's how they decided to do it.

He needs the suit at times because it's an Iron Man movie and he needs to get into kerfuffles that cause him to need the suit.

We might be thinking about this too hard.

Yeah, I have to agree. After some long serious posts in this thread I looked back at my mindset going in and coming out of the movie and just... well:

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I liked it.

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I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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ROFL

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Teague wrote:

I liked it.

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Trey wrote:

I've been trying to get this crowd to do Predator and/or Lethal Weapon since the day we started this monkeyfarm.

Along with Die Hard, that's the damn Holy Trinity of '80's action and still - no luck.  Kids today.  Meh.

Keep fighting the good fight, Trey. The next time they suggest something nobody cares about like Zombieland, just keep yelling about Predator and Lethal Weapon; filibuster if you must.

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Squiggly_P wrote:

Gotta do Lethal Weapon at least. It's one of if not THE best buddy cop movie ever made.

This seems so Trey:
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Speaking of which, between pissed off Danny Glover, crazy Gary Busey, and asshole Bill Paxton, Predator 2 is totally worth doing as well. I heartily endorse a double episode of Predator and Predator 2.

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bullet3 wrote:

Speaking of which, between pissed off Danny Glover, crazy Gary Busey, and asshole Bill Paxton, Predator 2 is totally worth doing as well. I heartily endorse a double episode of Predator and Predator 2.

http://www.chud.com/nextraimages/pred2b.jpg
http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/danny-glover-predator-2.jpg
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/posterx/predator2_3.jpg

Predator 2 is actually not too shabby. It's a sequel I think largely works because it could just as well have been a script about a random alien killing people in the city, and they just wrote the Predator in instead. It doesn't feel like the kind of sequel where the writers are relying on the previous film to account for 50% of the information regarding characters and plot because they cannot be bothered with coming up with a detailed script.

It could just as well, with some very minor tweaks, have been the first in the Predator  series and worked very well on its own.

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I don't have time to read all the messages just now, but can I just say THANK GODS that I'm not the only one who hated that movie!!

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Welcome to Down in Front

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Welcome to what now?

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everythingshiny wrote:

I don't have time to read all the messages just now, but can I just say THANK GODS that I'm not the only one who hated that movie!!

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$1B+ and rising.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Brace yourself for Iron Man 4,5,6,7...

not long to go now...

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Warning: long post ahead!

Okay, here’s my attempt at explaining why I really really didn't like Iron Man 3.

I should preface this with a disclaimer: I had never seen the first two Iron Man movies. I had of course seen The Avengers, which I really liked, so that was the extent of my knowledge of the character.

I feel like there was a good movie inside this one, just screaming to get out. I don’t know what the writing process was or how many script reviews it went through, but I feel like the original concept was (or should’ve been) an exploration of Tony’s awareness of his own mortality, and the question of whether the suit is the hero, or is the man inside it? (Which was somewhat done in the film, but pretty clumsily.) Here’s how it felt to me like it could’ve played out:

-    Tony is traumatized by the events of The Avengers – in which he almost died (had to face his own mortality)

-    He can’t sleep, so he spends a lot of time making a suit that he doesn’t need to be inside.

-    Then because of his fear of his mortality, he lets the suit do the work. But he doesn’t tell anyone…he tries to make it look as though he’s still inside the suit (still the hero, putting himself on the line).

-    Considering he almost fell from a great height to his death in the Avengers, the sky diving scene would’ve scared the crap out of him – right? Can’t help thinking that’d be the major time to have a panic attack. So he uses the remote control suit instead. He lands the people in the water, they cheer, he flies up onto the bridge and gets hit by a truck – and it’s revealed that he’s not in the suit.

-    Now people know that he’s not in the suit. The question is raised – if he lets the suit do all the work, is he still a hero? Does it make him less heroic to not be putting himself on the line? Is it fair to expect him to?

-    This is where the storyline with the little boy could’ve come into effect – the little boy being the audience’s touchstone for feeling betrayed and Tony’s guilt (which he’s trying to suppress / avoid)

-    But Tony does doubt himself, the villains prey on that, and then Pepper gets kidnapped and the remote control suit breaks down and Tony HAS to get back inside the (original) Iron Man suit to save the day. He has to make that conscious decision to BECOME the hero, to put HIMSELF on the line, to save the day.

-    And he does, and then he decides that he is not prepared to do that, that he is willing to relinquish his fame and the admiration of others to keep himself safe, and so he gets the thing taken out of his chest etc etc as happens at the end of the movie.

That’s my take on it. I would be really interested to read earlier drafts of the script, because this version makes the hero not overly ‘heroic’ so I can imagine that studios may have baulked at it, and little things like random panic attacks were all that were left in the end product…

There have been quite a few comments made already about the PTSD and I want to respond to some of them:

Doctor Submarine wrote:

Tony's anxiety attacks were fascinating, and a fantastic addition to the movie. It's a superhero sequel where the hero has PTSD from the final battle of the last movie. That's brilliant. And to say that they had no bearing on anything? Did we watch the same movie? Tony's entire character arc was fueled by them. He's afraid to be outside of his suit. He's become too dependent on his suit. He has a psychological obsession with the suits. But by the end of the movie, he realizes that he doesn't need the suit, because he's the real hero. The suit is just a tool. That's the whole point of him jumping in and out of them in the finale. Iron Man is in the title, but Tony Stark is the superhero.

I agree that this is what they were going for. I don’t think they succeeded. Panic attacks are not something that you have for a minute and then get up and walk away from. Robert Downey Jr acted them superbly, no quibbles there, but while the PTSD made complete sense to me, his easy recovery from them made absolutely none. They only debilitated him for seconds at a time.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

And I loved Pepper saving Tony at the end. It calls back to her covering him during the attack on his mansion. It gives their relationship a dynamic that no superhero movie (save The Incredibles) has had before.

Maybe, but she wasn’t really in control of those powers. And the feminist in me took mild offence at his later assertion that he “fixed her”.  (Yes, I’m aware that I just contradicted myself…)

Jimmy B wrote:

I totally buy that a traumatised Tony made all those other suits in order to try to get over his ordeal in New York.

I do too, I just think he should’ve only made one, and had an arc as outlined at the start of my post. It was never really made clear that his reason for making other suits was because he didn’t want to be inside the suit anymore (if that’s even the point the movie was trying to make).

fireproof78 wrote:

So, I think in 3 (and bear in mind I haven't seen it but have gathered enough from this thread to make a preliminary diagnosis  ) he is literally going from dependent on the suit to not needing the suit but still calling himself "Iron Man" because he feels that what makes Iron Man special is himself, not the suit.

In theory yes, that's what they were going for. But the movie fails to make him EARN that. In my opinion.

And before I go, I also want to add that I found all of the scenes with the Mandarin being a scary Middle Eastern terrorist incredibly offensive. Whether or not the Mandarin was a “real” threat or not… The scene in Pakistan when “Iron Patriot” shows up and threatens to shoot a group of men and then gets on his phone and chats to Tony while the Pakistani men just stand there, apparently eavesdropping and laughing at his conversation… NO. Just no. How dare you, movie? And the women working in the factory – “You’re free, if you weren’t before.” SHUT UP MOVIE. I had such MAJOR issues with all of that. The implication that Americans can just fly around the world, spreading their democracy and fixing the world… the arrogance of it all horrified me. Sure, the political allegory in Star Trek: Into Darkness was pretty heavy-handed, but at least it was asking people to look at themselves critically and decide where their morals lie, and what level they are prepared to stoop to in the pursuit of those who threaten them.

(And yes, I’m well aware that I don’t live in a country that has been directly affected by threats of terrorism, and perhaps my opinion would be different if I did, but that doesn’t stop me from having the opinions that I have.)

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I enjoyed Iron Man 3 but you make really good points about how it could be improved. Glad to have you on the forum  cool

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everythingshiny wrote:

I feel like the original concept was (or should’ve been) an exploration of Tony’s awareness of his own mortality

No, that’s Iron Man 2 (kinda). They can’t really get into it because it’s already been done (very badly but it stil counts). Excessive drinking is also off the table because of  IM2.

If you don’t care about spoilers you should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuhdjNId5xs

everythingshiny wrote:

-    Considering he almost fell from a great height to his death in the Avengers, the sky diving scene would’ve scared the crap out of him – right? Can’t help thinking that’d be the major time to have a panic attack.

Not really. He lost consciousness on the other side of the portal and then woke up on the ground. I’m pretty sure he’s fine with flying. Space and portals would probably freak him out though.

everythingshiny wrote:
Doctor Submarine wrote:

And I loved Pepper saving Tony at the end. It calls back to her covering him during the attack on his mansion. It gives their relationship a dynamic that no superhero movie (save The Incredibles) has had before.

Maybe, but she wasn’t really in control of those powers. And the feminist in me took mild offence at his later assertion that he “fixed her”.  (Yes, I’m aware that I just contradicted myself…)

He ‘fixed her’ because she didn’t want any of this. Nothing offensive about that.

everythingshiny wrote:
Jimmy B wrote:

I totally buy that a traumatised Tony made all those other suits in order to try to get over his ordeal in New York.

I do too, I just think he should’ve only made one, and had an arc as outlined at the start of my post. It was never really made clear that his reason for making other suits was because he didn’t want to be inside the suit anymore (if that’s even the point the movie was trying to make).

That’s not why he makes the suits. He builds all sorts of crap because he can’t sleep so he builds whatever pops into his head to keep himself busy.

everythingshiny wrote:

The implication that Americans can just fly around the world, spreading their democracy and fixing the world

Isn’t that what’s happening right now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_atta … Statistics

If Iron Patriot existed in the real world he'd be blowing shit up in the middle east right now.

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