Topic: Eternal Sunshine
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Now, when you say you spend time comparing Eternal Sunshine to Inception, are there any spoilers to Chris Nolan's latest film in this commentary? I haven't seen it yet (though I really bloody want to). This can obviously also be open to anyone who has listened to the podcast, not just Teague
I don't think so, nothing you wouldn't gather from the trailer. We mostly discuss the portrayal of dreamscapes in both movies, not the plot. Inception is basically a heist and we never really talk about that, to my knowledge.
Nice commentary. Enhanced a movie that, at times, can be difficult to revisit. It just pulls all kinds of old haunts/loves back to the foreground. Film has a long history of approximating 'Dream-like' states. For 'Inception,' I felt that if the "Lasagna" (good line) was made any more difficult or random, like real dreams, the movie does not become a huge Blockbuster. I guess I should give the American audience more credit, but I think that the structure of each level of dreams allowed more people to follow the plot. Strictly as a heist film, "Inception" certaintly works IMO.
For another look at dreamscapes, I recently watched "Dreamscape" with Dennis Quaid. Where Psychics are used to enter peoples' dreams. Some to be used for good (erase horrible nightmares) and bad (assasinate Freddy-style). Many of the Dreams look like Tim Burton designs. Difference is the 'Magic beans,' which in this case is the old standby of telepathy to enter your dreams.
Just thought it was funny a picture from 26 years ago could compare to this Summer's Biggest hit.
Okay, this is really going to bother me.
You guys made a passing mention of the whole "That place burned down 30 years ago!" thing. What's the name of that movie? Does anybody know? Cause I've been searching the Internet for it and cannot find one shred of evidence that that movie ever existed.
Speaking of, you guys should do the horrible remake of "The Forgotten" with Julianne Moore.
Oh, and great commentary.
Thanks sir.
I don't know about the joke, but I know it's funny as hell and I plan to repeat it until it becomes annoying.
"That place burned down 30 years ago." - Sounds like the opening act in every "Are you afraid of the dark"/ "Twilight Zone"/ "Outer Limits" I've ever seen.
You guys made a passing mention of the whole "That place burned down 30 years ago!" thing. What's the name of that movie? Does anybody know?
This isn't so much a movie reference -- at least not an intentional one on my part. It's more akin to urban legends of the Phantom Hitchhiker. Usually the story involves taking a hitchhiker to his/her destination only to find that the passenger has vanished once they arrive and turns out to have been a ghost.
Some versions of the story invert the trope and have the protagonist hitching a ride from a ghostly driver. Examples of this are the Stephen King story (and 2004 adaptation) RIDING THE BULLET, and the "Large Marge" sequence from PEE-WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE.
The variation I'm riffing off became part of my mental folklore collection most probably from the story "The Guests" in the original Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark:
A couple traveling through the woods at night stay with an elderly couple in their secluded cabin and have a lovely time. In the morning they leave an envelope with some money on the dinner table and continue on their way. In the next town the owner of the restaurant where they have breakfast is shocked by their story and informs them that the house burned down and the elderly couple died in the fire. The couple returns to the house only to find a charred shell, and among the ashes finds the envelope of money they left that morning. *TWILIGHT ZONE MUSIC*
Perhaps ironically, this has never been the subject of a Twilight Zone episode, at least not so far as I can tell by going through the Wikipedia episode guide. The 80s revival episode "The Call" perhaps comes closest, and you could make an argument for "Kentucky Rye." There are a number of episodes where characters confront ghosts and situations from the past, but what distinguishes them from this particular legend is that they know they're dealing with ghosts from the get-go.
In as much as I had a specific example in my head, I was thinking of Marty encountering Principle Strickland in the Alternate 1985 from Back to the Future II, with Strickland's comment, "The school burned down twenty years ago!"
Or whatever it is.
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It would have been twenty years ago TODAY.
#fakeBTTFdates
So despite my normally ravening fanishness for all things Diffy (oh, I'm never saying that again), I haven't listened to this episode yet.
Because the last time I watched "Eternal Sunshine" — that'd be the only time I watched "Eternal Sunshine" for those of you playing along at home — I found myself caught in the grip of such a crushing existential post-cinematic depression that it took me weeks to snap out of it.
Is listening to this episode, even sans filme, gonna remind me that everything is futile and that we're doomed by predestination or by our own goddamn soulless animal natures to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again until finally, in a dark and silent moment, the spark of our existence is snuffed and the world goes on without us, forever?
The guys get to the point early on, and get to how the movie supports the point, that it's okay. The ep didn't go so far as to invoke Sartre and Camus so I will, if for no other reason than to earn my douche points for the day:
You have seen that [existentialism] cannot be regarded as a philosophy of quietism since it defines man by his action; nor as a pessimistic description of man, for no doctrine is more optimistic, the destiny of man is placed within himself. Nor is it an attempt to discourage man from action since it tells him that there is no hope except in his action, and that the one thing which permits him to have life is the deed. Upon this level therefore, what we are considering is an ethic of action and self-commitment.
All Sisyphus' silent joy is contained therein. His fate belongs to him. His rock is a thing. Likewise, the absurd man, when he contemplates his torment, silences all the idols. In the universe suddenly restored to its silence, the myriad wondering little voices of the earth rise up. Unconscious, secret calls, invitations from all the faces, they are the necessary reverse and price of victory. There is no sun without shadow, and it is essential to know the night. The absurd man says yes and his efforts will henceforth be unceasing. If there is a personal fate, there is no higher destiny, or at least there is, but one which he concludes is inevitable and despicable. For the rest, he knows himself to be the master of his days. At that subtle moment when man glances backward over his life, Sisyphus returning toward his rock, in that slight pivoting he contemplates that series of unrelated actions which become his fate, created by him, combined under his memory's eye and soon sealed by his death. Thus, convinced of the wholly human origin of all that is human, a blind man eager to see who knows that the night has no end, he is still on the go. The rock is still rolling.
TLDR: Jeff you say that like its a bad thing, lul.
Last edited by paulou (2010-08-12 02:30:03)
"Sartre" and "Camus". But I'll give you the douche points anyway. I've got plenty.
"Sartre" and "Camus". But I'll give you the douche points anyway. I've got plenty.
I either went for the worst-little-existentialist multiplier on my douche points or tried for an elaborate, "It doesn't matter, maaaannnnn!" setup.
I'll let you pick.
Is listening to this episode, even sans filme, gonna remind me that everything is futile and that we're doomed by predestination or by our own goddamn soulless animal natures to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again until finally, in a dark and silent moment, the spark of our existence is snuffed and the world goes on without us, forever?
It's our contention that if this is what you take away from the film, you've missed the point entirely.
I've heard people say that Joel is boring, but I don't believe that's the case. I think they just had to erase so much of him to get rid of Clem, there was almost nothing left the next morning.
I had one of those great experiences, watching this movie the first time completely ignorant of anything about it. I was a big fan of Being John Malkovich and quoted it with all my friends. I knew this was written by the same guy, so I had been meaning to check it out. Then one day, I went over and picked it up at the video store (ah, days before netflix), not realizing the date was valentines day, exactly a year after the film was set. Add to that the fact that I was trying to get over someone at the time, and it ended up being one of the really moving film watching experiences of my life. Even listening to you guys talk about the movie, I was moved by the sheer force of my own memories.
Inception didn't have the same impact, but I did like seeing on the big screen all the ideas Nolan stole from the Matrix 2 screenplay I wrote in 2003.
Ah, another of my favorites. And another of my pillars of hopeless romanticism. Not much to say other than that. As for the Inception comparisons, having finally seen it, I have to say I prefer Eternal Sunshine.
Thanks for the commentary, guys. I really liked this movie and Charlie Kaufman in general. My only objection is that his characters always seem to be miserable people with severe personality disorders* and hygiene problems who I'm not sure even deserve happiness. That's always interesting but hard for me to connect to on a personal level.
* I loved that moment when you're analyzing, like, what is wrong with Joel that he just can't throw caution to the wind and be in the moment at the beach house when in fact Clementine has just committed a felony for no reason and dragged him into it.
That's a detention, slacker, for you and your beatnik friends.
"That place burned down 30 years ago." - Sounds like the opening act in every "Are you afraid of the dark"/ "Twilight Zone"/ "Outer Limits" I've ever seen.
Oh, it's from "It's a Wonderful Life," when George is running around seeing the town as if he'd never lived. He asks where the Building and Loan building went and someone in the crowd says, "It went out of business 20 years ago!"
So there you go.
You were too late! He's been dead for twenty* years!
*two**
**not actually dead
Since you asked, I didn't love this movie. Can I articulate why? I'm not sure. I think Zarban said it best:
My only objection is that his characters always seem to be miserable people with severe personality disorders* and hygiene problems who I'm not sure even deserve happiness. That's always interesting but hard for me to connect to on a personal level.
And I guess that is what I didn't 'get' about it - I can appreciate the movie for being clever and well made etc etc, the acting, directing, writing etc is great but... it just doesn't resonate with me at all. And I think the protagonists are just so annoying / meh that I don't care about them, so I don't connect with the movie on an emotional level.
I guess that's it.
But as an aside, since it was mentioned in the commentary, "The Virgin Suicides" is my 2nd favourite movie of all time. THAT is a movie I went into knowing nothing about it, and walked out with my jaw on the floor. Went straight to the library and borrowed the book, and that is now my 2nd favourite book of all time.... both book and movie resonate VERY strongly with me emotionally.
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