Re: Oscar Noms 2012

Well, everybody got their panties in a twist over this one, but I happen to genuinely think Serkis qualifies as a "lead animator" for Caesar.   He didn't use a mouse and keyboard, but not so long ago using a mouse and keyboard wasn't considered "animating" either.   I'm not saying he should get credit for something he didn't do, I'm saying the fx team should acknowledge what he DID do.    And might have, if not for the misguided Oscar campaign that gave the impression their contribution was negligible. 

On Troopers we had three input-device animators: two were stop-motion animators by experience, and one (whom I hired personally) was a puppeteer.   (We also had about ten keyframe animators who only used a computer.)   All three input device animators used the exact same setup, except two used the device like a stopmo armature and keyframed poses, while the puppeteer used the device in realtime and captured performances live.

One of our computer-only animators was ADAMANT that the stopmo animators were "animating", and the puppeteer wasn't... even though the only difference was how fast they did it.   It was a ridiculous argument, but the hatred of motion capture among "real animators" runs deep and still exists to this day. 

I think it's a silly and arbitrary way to look at it.   Personally I don't care how the data gets into the computer, or how many people had their hands on it along the way.   I only care if you believe the end result as a character on screen.  And if so, then everybody deserves to take a bow.   I still don't think Caesar deserves a Best Actor Oscar, but he deserves an FX Oscar, and in a fair world without these silly turf wars Serkis would be duly credited for his contribution to the effect.   

There certainly didn't seem to be the same animosity if you look at the making-of's for King Kong and Lord of the Rings, where the FX teams were generally profuse in their praise of Serkis and the contribution he made.

Re: Oscar Noms 2012

Gregory Harbin wrote:
Dorkman wrote:
Gregory Harbin wrote:

How was Tintin not nominated and Puss in Boots was?

Filmmakers have taken to insisting that "performance capture" films, like TINTIN and everything Zemeckis has made lately -- are not the same as animated films despite everything being created digitally. So perhaps, as a result, it didn't qualify.

…Rango?

Rango wasn't performance capture. It was actors acting out the bits in front of a camera that the animators used for reference. Animators do that stuff anyway, they just do it themselves. The novelty of Rango was that the actual voice actors were doing a lot of the reference.

On a different note, I must not have noticed the credits for many Disney flicks if they credit their films that way. I can't remember seeing it done like that. I'll have to go back and watch some of their other 80's and 90's flicks. Pretty sure they didn't do that back in the days of yore. I don't watch their more recent films as often as I watch their older ones.

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Re: Oscar Noms 2012

With the old Disney stuff, they would tend to have the voice actors serve as the models for animation reference, blocking out and acting various scenes on a pretty sparse soundstage. There's some cool extras on that on the 1951 Alice in Wonderland DVD.

Mostly today they just tape recording sessions to get some inspiration and take notes on the ways someone moves and gesticulates.

Rango was just extrapolating from those old techniques.

Last edited by paulou (2012-02-03 01:50:15)

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