Topic: Intermission 021 - On Commentaries
I guess I don't have to ask if you guys are big fans of commentaries.
I have a tendency to fix your typos.
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I guess I don't have to ask if you guys are big fans of commentaries.
Commentaries, nah, ther suck sweaty donkey balls don't they?
I actually quite enjoyed the pans labyrinth commentary. It was more about the choices made in crafting the film as apposed to, it was cold that day and we had to tape down her nipples type of commentary
The best commentary not DiF related that I ever listened to is, now bear with me, the Twilight commentary by Robert Pattinson and Kirsten Stewart. It's like a damn riff-track, because its pretty obvious that they hate that damn movie. It's hilarious.
Last edited by MonsieurVelo (2012-02-01 23:03:13)
Correction time: Richard Corliss and Richard Shickel are both movie reviewers for Time Magazine, but Shickel is the Eastwood biographer and Unforgiven commenter, not Corliss.
Also, I tried and failed (twice) to say antidote, rather than anecdote.
Sigh. Middle age ain't for sissies, kids. Do not try it at home.
This was great!
I also am a fiend for crew commentaries. I listen to them less now than I used to, but I still listen to nearly every commentary on nearly every movie that I buy. And I too frequently buy DVDs almost solely because they have commentaries.
One of the things that bugs me about it-was-so-cold commentaries is that these are usually Californians talking, and I'm from the snowbelt. I'm betting it WASN'T all THAT cold, so screw you. (I offer obvious exceptions to Kurt Russell on The Thing and the crew of Empire Strikes Back.)
This was a fun listen. I also had a big commentary phase back when I first got into DVD. It went away after a couple years, but it's actually starting to come back.
Thought I'd chime in with my favorite commentary, which is for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. It's Robert Downey Jr., Val Kilmer, and Shane Black, and it's hysterical. I had no idea Val Kilmer was so effortlessly funny. On top of that, you also get Shane Black being honest and at times even critical of certain aspects of the film. I tend to follow any viewing of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang immediately with the commentary.
^quick question re: kkbb, was the commentary on the dvd release or just the blueray, cos I wouldn't want to ebay the dvd all and be all
when it arrives.
@Fido - I believe it's on both the DVD and Blu-ray. I remember listening to it when I rented the DVD. Last time I checked, the BD was available on Amazon for $6 or something crazy cheap like that!
I love commentaries. I'm like Trey, I hesitate to buy a DVD if it does not have a commentary on it. Some of the commentaries I like in not particular order:
- Anything by Brad Bird
- Firefly
- Back to the Future
- Karate Kid
- LotR
I was terribly disappointed that the Nolan Batman Movies didn't have commentaries. However, I do hear there are commentaries on a series of movies that are can't miss. Any movie by Uwe Boll. Apparently his commentary gives all sorts of insight into the kind of film maker he truly is, and makes his movies actually entertaining to watch.
I've probably heard about 150-odd commentaries:
The best: All of David Fincher's, Ridley Scott's (e.g. Gladiator, Alien), James Cameron's movies (Aliens, Titanic, T2), and Peter Jackson on LOTR and King Kong (2005).
Professor Christopher Frayling on the Sergio Leone 'Man with no Name' trilogy, and Frankenstein 1933 are VERY informative in putting the films in a greater context with amazing amounts of behind-the-scenes details.
Not so much a fan of cast commentaries as most actors just relate random production anecdotes (e.g. 'Woody Allen fell asleep so we kept on shooting')
Riff Trax - I've yet to laugh at anything they've done. Maybe raised half-a-lame chuckle once during '300'.
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I Love all kinds of Commentaries.... but my favorite type are those for "based on a true story" film with the real people, followed by history film with knowledgeable historians... then any commentary with a competent director.
I'm a big fan of commentaries that seem to be one long inside joke but not letting on that it's a bit, i.e. the commentary for Spartan, with Val Kilmer constantly complaining about what a cunt David Mamet is.
My favorite commentary is Kung Pow: Enter The Fist. It's at once completely insane and stupid, but also an utterly fascinating story of how the movie got made. The idea for the movie itself is rather crazy and it's quite a feat that they managed to pull it off as well as they did. Sadly, the movie itself is only marginally funny if you're into really stupid screwball comedy. It's got a charm to it, tho, and it's genuinely funny in spurts.
I don't honestly remember a lot of the commentaries I've listened to. I don't think I've listened to one in a couple years. I should probably go back through a few movies and check them out.
I must have listened to hundreds of commentaries that aren't DiF. Among my favourite are Stephen Prince's commentaries for various Akira Kurosawa films, and Bey Logan's commentaries for various Hong Kong movies under the UK 'Hong Kong Legends' label (the Jackie Chan and Korean movies especially). Both are meticulously planned and extremely informative.
I second the recommendation of Ridley Scott's tracks too.
I'm a big fan of commentaries that seem to be one long inside joke but not letting on that it's a bit, i.e. the commentary for Spartan, with Val Kilmer constantly complaining about what a cunt David Mamet is.
Based on Mamet's non-fiction writings, and Kilmer's own reputation, I would not be at all surprised if Kilmer was for serious.
@Fido - I believe it's on both the DVD and Blu-ray. I remember listening to it when I rented the DVD. Last time I checked, the BD was available on Amazon for $6 or something crazy cheap like that!
DVD just arrived and methinks the commentary was just for the US release as my eBayed one contains nothing .
Shoulda really asked the seller beforehand.. darn it
- someones getting a KKBB DVD for their birthday.
johnpavlich wrote:@Fido - I believe it's on both the DVD and Blu-ray. I remember listening to it when I rented the DVD. Last time I checked, the BD was available on Amazon for $6 or something crazy cheap like that!
DVD just arrived and methinks the commentary was just for the US release as my eBayed one contains nothing
.
Shoulda really asked the seller beforehand.. darn it![]()
- someones getting a KKBB DVD for their birthday.
I completely forgot you're not a resident of the United States. That sucks the commentary is not in that region. I feel bad for you. PM me your e-mail address and all will be right with the world.
You keep your mouth shut, Trey!
The commentary is on the UK Blu Ray for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I used to have it and have listened to it
I completely forgot you're not a resident of the United States. That sucks the commentary is not in that region. I feel bad for you. PM me your e-mail address and all will be right with the world.
^
As for commentary recommendations/avoidances.
Ultraviolet - Milla on her own didn't work for me, felt she needed someone else there (Director and/or Producer like others do) to bounce off of.
whereas John Rambo - just Sly but it never felt like he was scampering (probably the wrong word) around for something to say - though I'm still not sure if I'm allowed to enjoy this as a kick-ass, explosion filled, limbs flying, body shredding, blood splattered blast of a movie when (as he says in his commentary) it is also a horrific depiction of the real-life horrors being carried out in Burma right now.
Cast commentaries absent of the main actor (Doomsday - no Rhona Mitra) feel incomplete.
and the first Pirates movie (the commentary by the writers) I found most interesting - how the story was cobbled together by taking different acts from different peoples drafts.
and finally , loved the one for Jason X - a bunch of people who loved the series and grew tired of waiting for JvF to get upnrunning, so went out and made themselves a movie (ish) - whereas the JvF one (imho) would have greatly benefiited from Sean Cunninghams involvement - we got Robert Englund to give the Freddy perspective, bring all his history from the previous films, but there was noone to speak with authority about Jason since this was Ken Kirzinger's first time. Sean could have done that.
The commentary is on the UK Blu Ray for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I used to have it and have listened to it
a Blu Ray player is on my to-buy list, right under a bigass tv. (3rd on the list is Serenity for the cast commentary , the DVD only having Joss's one
)
Last edited by Fido (2012-02-07 10:00:21)
Yeah, I have the Serenity Blu Ray, the cast comm is a good one
I don't have a big tv, either, just a 19" one for the time being, the picture quality is still awesome. I can't afford a bigger one right now
^ I liked the above cos I'm feeling all smug with my 20"er
(that's what she said.)
Ha! I liked your post for making me smile
It's funny that James Cameron begins his Titanic commentary by saying he doesn't like doing commentaries (e.g. the movie should stand on its own), but instead of grumbling about it, he delivers one of the best ever commentary tracks in terms of the information behind the real story of Titanic, the movie-making process, and the differences between them and why those decisions were made.
Other directors who are 'contracted' (aka forced) into doing commentary tracks just sit there in passive-aggressive protest with long periods of silence and occasional 'I like this shot'
I think it's best when an enthusiastic producer or someone sits in and kind of interviews the director. Because, yeah, unless the director is excited about talking about the film, he won't have much to say about it.
But I also think that commentaries aren't so much for now but for ages hence, when the director and others are senile or dead. Imagine how great it would be to watch North by Northwest with a real commentary by Hitch and Cary Grant.
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