The butt of the guns should be in their shoulder the proper way? I don't know much about guns. Also maybe they're obvious replicas since they're swinging them around whereas the real ones are super heavy?

Just guessing.

Well, that's covered in the story - they're FBI agents (and the other two guys are Saudi police).  So none of them are military, and at this point in the story they've just been caught in an ambush.  The only reason they have vests is that the plot established early on that they have to wear those when out and about.

Again, I think the Kingdom is a really well made flick and it certainly seems from the making-of that they went for a high level of realism.   Curious to see what Ash has spotted.

Not sure how this relates to CitW but...

Trey is also on point with the trigger thing.  For the uninitiated, the rules for safe gun handeling are remarkably simple:

1. All guns are always loaded. (Basic safety mindset.)
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to shoot. (Trigger discipline.)
3. Do not point a gun at anything you do not intend to destroy. (Muzzle discipline.)
4. Know your target, backstop, and what lays beyond. (Even a bullet that finds its taget can keep going and strike something you don't want it to.)

That said, and as Trey pointed out, everyone seems to be good with rule 2.  Also, no one is pointing their weapon in an obviously dangerous direction (like at each other).  Chris Cooper appears to be reloading his HK, muzzle in a safe direction.  From what I see there everyone appears to be handling their weapons in a safe manner.

I'm sure there's a story reason why everyone is carrying different weapons.  The Saudi officers are both carrying M4A1s, and at least one has a sidearm (probably an M9), all of which would be likely issued to them.  None of the other weapons (an MP5K, AKMS, HK91) are particularly exotic.

The lack of helmets is likely a "badasses don't need helmets" trope, or the director was more concerned with being able to see the actors' faces.

What I'm not seeing is anyone carrying any extra magazines.  Each of those M4 mags holds 30 rounds, which is woefully inadequate if you're going into a potential firefight.  Unless Jamie Fox is carrying everyone's extra ammo in his ruck there...

Also, that guy in the middle appears to have no rear sight, so he's gonna have trouble hitting anything.

From a cover / concealment perspective, they have no cover (something to hide behind that will stop a bullet) and little concealment (something to hide behind, but won't stop a bullet, like that car).  I'm not sure why Jamie Fox is crouching and everyone else is happy standing.  They don't appear to be under fire at the moment, but the guy on the left should really be pointing his weapon in the same direction he's looking.

That's about all I can glean from a still of a film I haven't seen with regards to militaristic / tactical stuff.

The marble wall fits what I've seen of Arab construction.  Unless it's missing bullet holes from a previous firefight.

If it's something in the Arabic on the posters behind them, I wouldn't have a clue.

Is it the car?

Sorry Guy's, I was sleeping. The time difference kinda killed the game here.

Matt pretty much gets it.

You can have a long discussion about the body armor they are using but I think you can explain it all away.

Long time ago me and my friends talked a lot about this scene and the guns and ammo thing.

The  M4A3 has no rear sights so he's shit out of luck. Ever tried shooting this thing?

Also the lack of extra ammo. The amount of ammunition operators carry in theater is insane. They would be out in seconds if this was real life.

The effective range of the gun Jennifer Garner is using (MP5K) is maybe 100 meters for a skilled shooter but is a forensic examiner as good as a trained shooter? So shooting it outside would be a waste of ammo. But for a weapon shooting her way through a building this is the weapon to have.
 
I can live with them not having helmets, but can they?

For a bonus point. Some friends of mine would say that Jamie Fox is carrying AKMS with RAS (Rail Adapther System... the thingy on top of the gun). You can shoot this gun just fine with the sights that are on the gun but usually you would want some kind of optics to put on that thing. But because Jamie picks up the gun from a dead terrorist if I remember correctly then you can make the argument that a terrorist on a budget would not necessarily have a scope on his gun. Plus it gives him a foregrip on the gun.

But the main thing is the the M4A3 has no rear sights.
Hope this game is not a let down after Matt's brilliant analyze.

Let's stay on topic, Jimmy.

Dammit!

I finally got to see this one last night (well...I finished it like 6 hours ago...so however the terminology for that works) and I..really fucking enjoyed what was there, but I'm dissappointed by what wasn't there, even though it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of what is there. Wait...Let me explain.

I'm one of those guys that has been following Cabin in the Woods for about a year and a half now. And as such I've had a lot of time to develop my own...shall we say, theories of what it would actually end up being. Although most of those were just blurry vague ideas, but when they released the poster image, thats when a lot of my ideas came into focus. Specifically I'm referring to this image...

Looking at this, my brain immediately went towards the much more mystery, puzzley type ideas floating around. Namely because well...the Cabin is a fucking rubicks cube. So out comes the trailer, which does nothing to dissuade my ideas of a very mind fucky, twisty, what the fuck type movie. Pair that, with the tagline "You think you know the story." and you get BDA walking into the theater thinking/hoping that this is going to be some sort of real intense mind bending take on the traditional cabin in the Woods/Evil Dead type thing (Er...well I would have had that walking into the theater, if I hadn't kinda had it spoiled that it wasn't going to be that) where it starts off as a very run of the mill literal take on that whole thing, and then it slowly unravels and falls apart as it progresses until we find the elevator and ride it down and discover the larger forces at work.

Enter BDA sitting in the theater. BAM, right fucking in my face, here's the ENTIRE larger forces at work shoved down your throat as the FIRST scene in the movie. (Which yes, you couple together a title sequence of nothing but human sacrifice images, a group of scientists, in some sort of high tech bunker, with the image of the elevator from the trailer and I basically have the rest of the larger picture plotted out, including the old gods element (Although that one might have been more me hoping...because I love the idea of the old gods in modern times...you notice I almost always use the plural "Gods" when talking...anyways)).

So...I'm confused...slightly disappointed, but hopeful. So I let the rest of the movie unfold and slowly allow myself to get re emersed into it, and by the time they hit the gas station I'm into it, I get what they're doing, and the rest of the movie goes off great, and I love every moment of it.

So yes, while I would have loved to have seen the movie that I thought CiTW was going to be, but I also love what it actually was...after I adjusted my mental settings in the theater.

Anyways on to specific stuff...

Fran Kranz...I LOVE this guy, he is easily on my list of actors I would sell very personal things to work with one day. He is among the...I'd say top 3 things, I love most about Dollhouse (Although this is coming from one of those apparently few humans alive that actually really likes Dollhouse.), and he was my favourite character in CiTW (well tied with Dana...it's the redhead, I'm useless against it )

The ending... First off, I gotta give props to the audience I was in, when Sigourney appeared the entire audience was filled with laughs and woots, it was awesome. Secondly I love the ending just the way it plays out, through the entire thing I was sitting there going...please don't wimp out, please don't wimp out...holy shit....oh gods...they're actually doing it! Cut to black. BRAWWWM. I very nearly lost my shit.

The ending was an amazing refreshing change for me, it was really nice to see a movie that put itself into that position and went, yep, we're doin this. And not pull out with some sappy bullshit ending of "Oh, I guess I'm going to have to kill myself so the rest of- blah blah." No, fuck you guys, and fuck this, we're just gonna sit here, get high and let it burn.

It's one of the most human things I've ever seen a couple of characters do.

Although that may say more about me than anything else

As you can probably tell, I obviously didn't have the issue of not connecting with the characters at the end...I was a little confused about where the hell Weaver came from though...does she just live down there or something? Bunk buddies with the old gods? And when she first appeared I coulda sworn it was going to be a thing where she was a manifestation of the old gods, and then the sacrifices and the gods were going to talk, and it was going to be really cool...but nope. Oh well.

Anyways...I have more to say, but long post is already long.

EDIT: I knew there was something I really wanted to talk about. I'm surprised none of you brought it up in the episode. But there is definitely a conversation-ish to be had about the visual effects. Specifically those ones that were so gods-horrifyingly-aweful, that I was thrown out of the movie for a minute before I remembered...oh right, they're doing a whole schlocky horror thing. Namely I'm thinking of the bike jump just before he hits the forcefield, the weird shuffly floaty cell system, and when the elevator doors open for the first time and the entire room literally explodes with blood.

I don't really have much to say aside from that, but did you guys notice it to or was it just me?

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