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oh my god

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Sam F wrote:

I think we need a 5-hour DIF discussion on file types.

...and then blending modes.

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Zarban wrote:

I have no idea what you people are talking about, so I made this to feel like I'm contributing.

http://www.zarban.com/pics/mike-hug.jpg

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Zarban wins. DiF has peaked. Shut it down.

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And here is a picture of my daughters, to feel like I am contributing. I think it was taken on a Canon:
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s671/Erich_Longpre/IMG_3400_zps4121511f.jpg

God loves you!

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AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Joins the collective, "AWWWWWWwwww!"

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drewjmore wrote:

Joins the collective, "AWWWWWWwwww!"

I LOL'D. Yes they are, somehow, very cute girls despite being my daughters.
Also, to slightly add something more relevant to the topic at hand, I like my mother-in-law's canon camera for its fast shutter speed. Working with kids, being able to take several photos at once is a must. They don't like to hold still for long wink
Also, good infor regarding file types. I am the typical layman who thought that mp3 and jpeg were a good way to go. So, it is nice to hear about compression and other file types that will make it easier to do photo and audio work
Also:

God loves you!

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"Don't worry. Nobody dies in this story. They just get really big boo-boos."

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dear god!  exporting an image sequence of an 8 min. 50 sec. video ends up being just a little over 90 GB!  DUDE!  that's like a 100 times larger than the PRORES quicktime!

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switch wrote:

dear god!  exporting an image sequence of an 8 min. 50 sec. video ends up being just a little over 90 GB!  DUDE!  that's like a 100 times larger than the PRORES quicktime!

Yeah I tried it with a 1 minute video yesterday. PNG, 12GB, 14x larger... I think I'll stick with ProRes for now and maybe wait a few years till storage costs WAY less, and ProRes is still alive and kicking.

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In a few years everyone will be working at higher resolutions and the PNG's will be even larger. It's a repeating cycle  roll

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Back in the MiniDV days, my hard drive was 6.4GB...that was fun.

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Everything was so easy on mini-dv you shot on tape and captured in one format and worked in that format and exported in that format... I don't know why I ever stopped!

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The new Freefly "MōVI." Vincent Laforet calls it a game changer.

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I'm about a week or so away from finally being able to get the first bit of my camera gear. I'll be grabbing a panasonic GH2. And so long as I did my math right, I should have enough left over to get some toys.

So I'm thinking of getting this mic kit: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/7 … phone.html

This head: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 … _Head.html

These legs: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 … ripod.html

and this case: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 … d_Bag.html

Any thoughts on the choices would be appreciated smile

I figure this should be enough to get me going until I can get together enough to sink into some pro lights and lighting gear.

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My brother just got the 504HD head (no legs yet). I'm not a tripod expert, but I think it's very solid. I also have the Davis & Sanford FM18 head, and the 504HD seems to be a nice step up in build quality.

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http://instagram.com/p/X09vwJzXMl/

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^^ Holy shit, yes!

Also get to see the Movi in person tomorrow, and damn its gonna be hard resisting the urge to just buy that thing on the spot. MUST NOT MAKE CRAZY IMPULSE PURCHASE

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bullet3 wrote:

Also get to see the Movi in person tomorrow, and damn its gonna be hard resisting the urge to just buy that thing on the spot. MUST NOT MAKE CRAZY IMPULSE PURCHASE

Wow that's awesome. I am jealous of you.

And also Dorkman. Congrats on your BMPCC preorder. Sounds like you'll have yourself a nice 31st birthday present!

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Sam F wrote:

My brother just got the 504HD head (no legs yet). I'm not a tripod expert, but I think it's very solid. I also have the Davis & Sanford FM18 head, and the 504HD seems to be a nice step up in build quality.

Cool, thanks man.

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A bit more of a higher thinking question this time. I've been doing a lot of reading and looking about lenses lately, since that's one area that I'm still very very new to.

And I was just wondering what the shooters here think.

Right now I'll be working with a GH2, which is a micro 4/3rds lens mount. But obviously I'll be moving up to something bigger and better eventually, something that will most likely not have a m4/3rds mount. If I'm building my glass kit, should I buy for the m4/3rds and then use an adapter later, or do I get something else that's a great piece of glass and adapt it down to the m4/3rds?

Mostly I'm just getting confused because I hear all these shooters talking about this and this lens being something that you'll use for the rest of your life, but the lens mount is the mount and that changes just from camera to camera let alone over time.

Or maybe I'm just thinking about this entirely wrong and should just go back to reading.

EDIT: Obviously most of this is completely hypothetical at this point. I won't be getting any lenses of my own for a long time. But I'm just trying to understand the logic of it all. Just thought I'd clarify that.

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I wish there was a demo video out of the new blackmagic pocket cam.
Like as a comparison with a 7d/5d for instance. My suspicion is it blows them out of the water (and at a lower price!) but it's still a cropped sensor, so who knows. If the image quality is comparable to the normal black-magic cam from last year, this is the fucking steal of the century for film enthusiasts.

Also need to figure out if I can use my old Canon lenses on this thing.

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

Right now I'll be working with a GH2, which is a micro 4/3rds lens mount. But obviously I'll be moving up to something bigger and better eventually, something that will most likely not have a m4/3rds mount. If I'm building my glass kit, should I buy for the m4/3rds and then use an adapter later, or do I get something else that's a great piece of glass and adapt it down to the m4/3rds?

I don't know every bit of technical jargon but I understand it well enough, so I hope I can explain it well enough too.

If you get a camera with a different mount (e.g. Canon EF Mount) in the future, you won't be able to adapt M4/3 lenses to it. For one thing, the sensor will probably be larger than a M4/3 sensor and those lenses wouldn't cover the whole thing, and you'd get some serious vignetting.

The main reason though is the flange distance (distance between mount and sensor) of the M4/3 system. I don't know what cameras this diagram depicts but let's call the top one a 7D and the bottom one a GH2. That's basically how the distances compare, because M4/3 cameras don't have a mirror taking up so much space between the lens and the sensor.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Flange_Focal_Length_(2_types_camera).PNG/220px-Flange_Focal_Length_(2_types_camera).PNG

A lens made for a certain mount is designed for the particular flange distance of that mount. If the lens is set at the wrong distance from the sensor, the focal distance will be out of whack. If you hold a M4/3 lens up to a Canon 7D, since the lens is positioned too far out you probably won't be able to focus further than a few inches. It's like using a macro extension tube.

So, if you're planning on holding on to your lenses after switching to a camera with a different mount, don't buy M4/3 lenses. The thing is though, if you're gonna invest in a different lens system, you're gonna have to know which mount your future camera will have. That's the tricky part of this mess.

In my opinion, Canon hasn't shown a lot of promise lately in terms of consumer/prosumer video quality, but their EF Mount is also the most widely used in the video world. So since everybody already has EF lenses, companies that want to make a camera but don't have their own lens systems are likely to use EF if their sensor is bigger than M4/3 (case in point, Blackmagic). Plus you can also adapt EF lenses to Sony E Mount cameras. So that's why Canon is a solid choice. But hey, Nikon also seem to be stepping up their game too, though they still don't even make a dedicated video camera (yet). Sony are trying with their Alpha mount, but I think they know E-Mount is their future, which is out of the question for a M4/3 camera owner since that flange distance is even shorter, and there aren't a lot of E-mount lenses out there yet anyway.

But hey, you could always just sell your lenses when you want to upgrade... Or just commit to using M4/3 cameras forever because you light like a champ and shallow DoF is for hipsters!

Wow. I am sorry if you read all that nonsense. Quite the ramble.

TL;DR - No. Sure.

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I would say it's ultimately about what sort of imagery you would like to record (e.g. vintage glass has an asthetic appeal of its own so you may want backwards compatability), how much function you want the lens to have (some adaptors may not give you all the auto features), how much you're willing to spend (some mounts may limit your buying options more than others), and how often you are willing to change lens 'sets' (is there any point in getting lenses for a mount that you know you'll change anyway?).

I have a Canon 550d/Rebel T2i, and this allows me a fair amount of versatility in lens choices. I have the standard modern zoom lens and Canon's own modern 50mm MkII, both of these hardly used as neither lens appeals that much to me. The 18-55mm zoom has a slightly greenish quality to it and the 50 just feels like cheap plastic (the MkI version is better but much harder to find now). I'm then able to plug in directly to this same mount EF-S mount an old crappy Sigma zoom lens, and then I have two adaptors - one for Nikon lenses (both ones that I have are from the 70-80s and are entirely manual, which is what I personally like and are my favourites) and one that mounts both a vintage Practika lens and a post-war Soviet-made lens, a 58mm which is probably my favourite of the lot.

So as you can see, I own 4 lenses that are several decades old and yet because they're all manual primes I don't ever lose anything by mounting them on this relatively new Canon body. I also like to be as hands on as possible when photographing/filming so the lack of whizz bang features don't bother me. The modern glass, my Canon lenses, do not have any manual aperture controls so if I were to mount these on a new system in the future which doesn't follow the 'rules' of the EF-S mount, their function could be greatly limited. Conversely, there'll pretty much always be a way to mount vintage lenses.

On the other side, for me, I just love the look and feel of the old glass. The fact that they're also cheap as chips is a bonus. My Soviet Helios 58mm? Cost me £8 off of ebay.


I guess all that rambling doesn't really answer your specific question... I guess the TLDR version is decide on a camera with a mount that gives you as much versatility as possible in terms of adaptors available to it or has the lens range which offers you what you want, then go for that one. I wouldn't bother getting any lenses for a system you're actively intending to change, especially if it's not a quality glass line.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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