1 (edited by Eddie 2013-12-16 16:23:35)

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Eddie Doty

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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I'll say.......NononononononoNO!

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The Vimeo link for the film now requires a password. Man, what a shitshow.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Link works for me on laptop and phone.

It's really astounding. The opening at least is shot-for-shot, line-for-line identical. This isn't something you can pass off as accidental after having read the original several years ago.

It's quite a good film, tho; the acting and cinematography (Matthew Irving) are terrific, and the music is good, if a bit obtrusive. If anything, it's the source material that's weak. A film critic is fed up with art-house directors and the critics who like them? Meh.

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No really Teague, tell us what you really think.

/joke

Seriously though. I'm just gonna let this one play out before I start making any judgements or start casting down the almighty hell fires of hades down upon the bastard Shia.

Waaaaay to many times does thing kind of thing wind up being some sensationalized misunderstanding or miscommunication.

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Ok, I am not familiar with all the technical terms in the film industry, so bear with me, but you can't submit unoriginal work to Cannes, right?

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12 (edited by Eddie 2013-12-16 23:20:15)

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Inspiration is one thing, LIFTING WHOLE LINES OF DIALOGUE AND IMAGES DOWN TO THE FRAME, is fucking stealing.  I, much like Shia, am a fan of Daniel Clowes.  I, much like Shia, read the original comic.  I'm sorry but this is beyond inspiration.  You having similar opinions on Surrogates to Cracked is one thing, but if you on our podcast literally read Cracked's description of the movie and did not credit them, you would be stealing too. 

I like Shia a lot, I have respected his work.  But the evidence here is damning.  I highly recommend watching his film and reading the aforementioned book.  It dispels any idea that Shia was "inspired."

Eddie Doty

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Well, now Patton Oswalt and other Twitterati have a hold of this one, so Shia's gonna be in internet jail for a bit.

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I'd be willing to bet the comic artist would've let him do it for free, and happily, if he'd just asked and given credit where due.

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Eddie Doty

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Ya. I get sort of where Teague would be coming from hypothetically, as we're a community with more than one fan filmmaker, and have espoused in the past "ask forgiveness, not permission", but verbatim stealing other people's work uncredited is NEVER ok.

You would get expelled from University if you pulled that shit, and fired if you tried it at work.
ESPECIALLY for someone high profile and rich like Shia, who's been in the business long enough to know better.

Also, Patton Oswalt is crushing this on Twitter right now.

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19 (edited by Dorkman 2013-12-16 23:50:33)

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Even in the fan film world, it's not like we pretended we came up with the shit ourselves. I mean, most fan films went so far as to credit Ben Burtt for creating the lightsaber sounds we hacked together.

EDIT: And just to be clear, I don't think Shia is a monster or whatever. But he did wrong and that needs to have consequences of SOME kind so he can't pretend not to know better next time.

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21 (edited by Eddie 2013-12-16 23:58:05)

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Yeah, I didn't get really pissed about it until after his half hearted, aw-shucks apology.  Of it was just similar I could forgive but it's so much more than that.  And he's a smart dude so plant me firmly in the "baffled," camp.

Eddie Doty

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Maybe I'm partial to the medium but I'm getting fucking tired of Comic Book writers getting fucked every time their work hits a screen.  Ed Brubaker, the guy who created the Winter Soldier character is not going to see a dime or even a screen credit when the next Captain America hits the screen.  Shia knows better.

Eddie Doty

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