Topic: So it's official....

There is absolutely no respect left for NASA anywhere.

First Transformers now this. Ugh.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1772240/

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Oh, and this is worse then Capricorn One how?

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Is there any actual connection to the real canceled apollo 18? That's a pretty small budget. As long as it's better than that old stinker Moontrap.

Hey! Capricorn One wasn't that bad (well, when i was 14.) Elliot Gould, James Brolin, Sam Waterston did a great job. OJ Simpson dies in the desert. A great 4 aircraft chase. It looked like Peter Hyams was going to be a great director.

It's interesting how the action is split between Gould (doing All The President's Men-type snooping) and Brolin (doing the hero stuff). Kind of like a transition period from The Long Goodbye to Die Hard.

edit: Oh. It just dawned on me that Invid meant respect-wise. Never mind.

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It's OK, I still respect you the same as before...

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I've never heard of Capricorn One, but going from the IMDB tagline, at least that was about something hasn't happened at all. This (as well as Transformers) are making their buck on ACTUAL Apollo events.


As a sidenote I should should say, when I posted this I had just spent 45 mins trolling the IMDB list of movies coming out in 2011 and was feeling particularly bitter towards the entire industry. Still am actually.

EDIT: I should also say that regarding this paticualar movie, I was disgusted by the fact that it's listed as a horror/thriller. I have nothing against making movies about the apollo/Nasa missions (Ala From The Earth To The Moon or Apollo 13), as long as it isn't doing it as a cheap structure for a stupid B-movie plot thereby disgracing the memories of the people actual involved.

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Yeah, I know.

My favorite part about this is how badly it HAS to mangle history, which I can safely say knowing nothing about it except the synopsis.

You see, Apollo 18 was a planned but cancelled mission. NASA had already assigned a crew for it, including the commander, Dick Gordon. Gordon was the Command Module Pilot (Michael Collins' and Jack Swigart's job) for Apollo 12. This movie presupposes that the crew of Apollo 18 actually went and died.


Except Gordon is still very much alive. I've met him. Twice. Very nice man.


Odds that this movie will bother to explain the discontinuity between our and its history? Or explain that if Apollo 18 wasn't cancelled, then why Jack Schmidt (the only professional scientist to walk on the moon) was switched from 18 to 17 at the last minute because of pressure from the scientific community?

Yeah, I'm not counting on it. If, by some miracle they actually do, Kranz as my witness, I will give this movie a pass on absolutely any other magic bean related matter.

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[replying to Maul2]
Oh, come on. It's been 40 years. Are you against all non-serious books/movies set around historical events? Making up a hidden history behind the headlines is probably its own genre.

Hell, if someone did an Apollo 13 movie where it turns out they were attacked by aliens and had to fight their way back to Earth Lovell himself would probably approve.

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I'm against any movie that doesn't do its homework.

A movie has to convince you that its real on some level. Using Apollo 18 is a cheap trick designed to do just that, but I'm betting that the filmmakers didn't do the research and work to justify their trick. They just skimmed the Wikipedia article on the Apollo program and called it a day on the researching phase of their brilliant idea.

If it turns out that they actually did their homework and can convincingly portray how these events could fit into events as we know them, I will stand corrected. But I highly doubt it. And yes, the bar is pretty high, because there are already the fantastic examples of Apollo 13 and From the Earth to the Moon to use as examples.

EDIT: Oh, you were responding to maul. My bad, but my opinion still stands.

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My opinion is the same as Brian's, he just worded it better than I would have.

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Invid wrote:

It's OK, I still respect you the same as before...

Damn, you testy.

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Brian Finifter wrote:

I'm against any movie that doesn't do its homework.

Same here. However, as a history buff one of the most interesting things is asking "what if?" This is what actually happened, but what if x happened instead of y, how would the rest of the events have been affected? This can be done badly (as a number of books in the sci fi section will show you), but when you try and work out the alternative history logically you can have lots of fun. Pre-finding out this movie sucks, I'm no more against it then I would be a movie about the US invasion of Japan when the Atom Bomb didn't work.

If it turns out that they actually did their homework and can convincingly portray how these events could fit into events as we know them, I will stand corrected. But I highly doubt it. And yes, the bar is pretty high, because there are already the fantastic examples of Apollo 13 and From the Earth to the Moon to use as examples.

All I'd ask is that they made clear what the POD (point of departure) was from our timeline. It can even be subtle, so long as its there.

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Invid wrote:
Brian Finifter wrote:

I'm against any movie that doesn't do its homework.

Same here. However, as a history buff one of the most interesting things is asking "what if?" This is what actually happened, but what if x happened instead of y, how would the rest of the events have been affected? This can be done badly (as a number of books in the sci fi section will show you), but when you try and work out the alternative history logically you can have lots of fun. Pre-finding out this movie sucks, I'm no more against it then I would be a movie about the US invasion of Japan when the Atom Bomb didn't work.

All I'd ask is that they made clear what the POD (point of departure) was from our timeline. It can even be subtle, so long as its there.

Completely agree, I love alternate history stories, if they're done well. I just have absolutely no confidence this will be anywhere close to done well.

In Titanic, you're willing to buy that these two fictional people have a fictional story because Cameron obviously paid attention to the nonfictional details. If they do that here, it will be brilliant and I will love it. They won't do that here.

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Even if not done all that well, it still may be enjoyable smile We do have the good historical NASA movies/series so it's not like the alien fantasy stuff was all there was.

(the alien and paranormal stuff on the History channel, on the other hand...)

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What's also annoying are movies that apparently re-write actual events for no good reason other than that Americans can be credited with them. For example, U-571, where a British operation from before US involvement in WWII got re-written as an American operation.

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I too love revisionist/what-if history when it's handled well (which I don't think Inglourious Basterds did). But most screenwriters just trample history, give it a new coat of paint, and call it good. Why did Disney have to do the legend of Pocahontas instead of doing the story of Pocahontas? The real story is really interesting. Why did 10,000 BC and 300 have to be rock-and-roll, Boris-Vallejo, weed-high fantasies?

Meanwhile, I wait patiently for an American-Revolution-with-swords-and-armor movie. Or a Nazis-conquered-America movie.

Wait.... 1776 BC. Oh, man, new Asylum screenplay comin' up! "Timequake"...! American heraldry...! Bison-drawn chariots...! George Washington fights a dragon...! Somebody, get me Barry Bostwick's phone number!!

EDIT: Wait, wait! He fights a gigantic snake that he has to cut into 13 pieces! DON'T TREAD ON ME, YOU SON OF A BITCH!

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Zarban wrote:

Wait.... 1776 BC. Oh, man, new Asylum screenplay comin' up! "Timequake"...! American heraldry...! Bison-drawn chariots...! George Washington fights a dragon...! Somebody, get me Barry Bostwick's phone number!!

EDIT: Wait, wait! He fights a gigantic snake that he has to cut into 13 pieces! DON'T TREAD ON ME, YOU SON OF A BITCH!

How about: George Washington and Ben Franklin have been banished to the distant past by Nazi scientists, determined to prevent American entry into WWII. And they have to travel to Egypt to steal the Eye of Horus from the Great Pyramid of Cheops, to power their Chariot of the Gods that takes them to 1945, where it turns out George Washington killed Hitler and liberated Paris on the same day. Meanwhile, Ben Franklin invents nuclear-powered underpants that safely blast him and George back to 1776 with relatively few permanent injuries, while accidentally destroying two Japanese cities, before dropping panty shrapnel in Roswell, New Mexico.

And that's how we got the glowing-eye pyramid on the dollar bill.

Too subtle? It's too subtle, isn't it?

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Oh brother...

Some Website wrote:

Plot:

"A quintessential Cold War story, Apollo 18 casts light on the covert and undocumented lunar mission that officially 'never happened'. Bekmambetov, hired by Russia to shoot a documentary about the Russian space station, recently came across footage in its space archives that bolsters the idea that an Apollo 18 mission did, in fact, take place, and reveals startling evidence of extraterrestrial life forms. This actual footage will be part of Apollo 18, a paranormal thriller that will interpolate fact and fiction."

Harvey Weinstein wants us to believe that the whole isn't just a well-constructed marketing operation:

"Recently Timur Bekmambetov came to us with this never-before-seen footage, apparently of the Apollo 18 space mission, and, as filmmakers, we were absolutely compelled to bring it to the screen for audiences to judge for themselves."

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Brian Finifter wrote:

Oh brother...

Some Website wrote:

"Recently Timur Bekmambetov came to us with this never-before-seen footage, apparently of the Apollo 18 space mission, and, as filmmakers, we were absolutely compelled to bring it to the screen for audiences to judge for themselves."

"...because, as journalists, our ability to judge things is clearly appalling."

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Luckily, the movie will die at the box office because nobody will buy there being actual footage of us going to the moon smile

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