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This movie is way, way better than it really even should be. I used math, and checked it, and yeah. Definitely too good. No human would make a movie like this.
I love the Incredibles, those haters at the other forum I post on are insane, it's awesome.
Last edited by Jimmy B (2011-03-30 16:35:14)
I'd like comments on which movie better reflects the philosophy of Ayn Rand, the Incredibles or the upcoming Atlas Shrugged 
How is it that there hasn't already been a whole cinema subculture of Rand cultist movies, like the Mormon stuff and the End-times stuff?
/Suddenly feverishly devoting myself to writing 2012: Take Thy Hand From Out My Pocket for the Asylum.
Last edited by Zarban (2011-03-29 17:42:19)
There was a thread in a USENET movie newsgroup about the upcoming film, where someone commented on how you never see a hero openly say "screw the little people" as they do in the Atlas trailer. My reply was most of us ARE the little people, so such feelings aren't going to have us rooting for the hero
That said, there may well be a number of Rand-ish films out there, but libertarians are so anti-Hollywood they've never bothered to hunt them down or lumped them into a genre.
Hi there
Ups, i don't if i'm right here…
but i wanted just to say that i absolutely love your podcast.
i'm doing an internship(my first one, so its double exciting) at the moment, and i have to build and paint like thousands of oakleaves for a stopmo-set.so thank you for keeping my mind occupied! Your podcast is just brilliant!!!
i'm really looking forward to go back to my leaves tomorrow so i can listen to the incredibles.
my favourite cg-film ever!
keep the good work up!;)
ps. sorry for my crappy english..
No problem on the English, we have forumers from every damned place. Scotland, Britain, Norway, Sweden. I think you're our first Switzerland, though.
Welcome to the forum!
i have to build and paint like thousands of oakleaves for a stopmo-set.
Oh, I hear those are expensive. They don't grow on trees, you know.
Wait....
/Welcome!
Oh, I hear those are expensive. They don't grow on trees, you know.
Wait....
/Welcome!
yeah, you are right…. they grow on trees.OMG. never thought of that…
the truth is you, will never find just the right thing for a set. there will be always be something wrong. the leaves aren't exactly 2.345 inch to 3.231 inch in size. or the color isn't the right mixture of candybrown and sepia or whatever.
and it's spring that isn't the best time for collecting leaves, they will crumble as hell.and they stink.
and i don't even think there are any oaktrees around here, we are in a big city here.
and it's not about being realistic, animation is about designing every fucking single frame. that includes the leaves on the tree. wonderful, isn't it?
but i really appreciate your advice.thank you..
that's… well cute;)
ZARBAN HAS A GIIIIIIIIRLFRIENNNNNNNND
I'm sorry I haven't read any other posts, this is technically a "lovefest" podcast right? I mean, I hope so.
Pretty much.
And so's this thread, apparently.
/just glad somebody in the world is still doing a stop motion project
/just glad somebody in the world is still doing a stop motion project
it's not that bad with stop motion at the moment.
tim burton is working on a frankenweenie stop mo feature film for 2012. no trailers yet.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1142977/
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PLtT07i5K3Q/T … +movie.jpg
and guillermo del toro is going to do a gothic version of pinocchio
http://antcomic.com/blog/?p=17850
I feel like stop-motion used to be the ultimate in indy filmmaking, but it's more like its own little niche now.
The comedy show "Community" (which is hilarious), did their Christmas special mostly stop motion. I'm sure it's on the internet somewhere, it was great.
Anyone see Coraline? That was stop-mo, and I loved the hell out of it.
Since we're talking about stop-mo type things.
This was made by a friend of mine,not exactly stop-mo but It's still pretty cool. And I gotta pimp it out for him, so you know.
Two things:
First, I'm surprised you guys didn't mention Brad Bird's subsequent "retirement" from animation (or at least, the hilarious video where he declared he was giving up animation for good) or the fact that he's making Mission Impossible 4 right now. If ever there was a franchise where he could flex his muscles in live-action it would be that one. Well, actually, it would be a Bond movie, but M:I is probably a close second...
Secondly, this is probably also my favorite Pixar film, but as you guys said it's really hard to choose just one, since all of them are just so damn good. Even their two 'bad' movies - Cars and Bug's Life - are heads and shoulders above most animated films.
That said, I really have a love/hate relationship with Pixar. I love their films, but I also hate them for being so damn popular. Aside from the fact that they've cornered the market (seriously, a lot of people associate anything that's CGI with Pixar, like they're the only studio doing it), it bothers me a lot that every other studio is basically just trying to make Pixar movies. It makes me want to see Pixar make an R-rated serial killer noir thriller or something just to balance out all the family-friendly crap that gets made. The entire US animation industry really just pisses me off, especially when our fluffy, generic crap always manages to win out the 'best animated feature' oscars over incredible stuff like Persepolis, Waltz With Bashir, The Illusionist, etc... Films that maybe aren't family-friendly but exist on a whole other plane of filmmaking. It's like giving the Best Picture oscar to Pirates of the Carribean or Avatar because they were the big, popular movies that everyone basically liked.
The 2008 Oscars had Ratatouille win over Persepolis, while Waltz with Bashir wasn't even nominated. I totally lost my shit and while I was somewhat bothered by the industry prior to that, at that point I became really depressed about it and have given up hope that the US industry would ever change. I mean, these are the same people that gave King's Speech, Hurt Locker and No Country For Old Men the best picture award over films that were probably much more popular in terms of financial gain and popularity, and these people are obviously using some totally different criteria when considering animation. It's cartoons, yeah, but it's still film. If they had animated "There Will Be Blood" these people would have totally ignored it, it would have made no money at all and the only press it would have gotten would have been "This animated film is NOT FOR KIDS! How weird is that!?" It also probably would have sparked controversy from groups claiming the filmmakers were trying to foist violence and religious bigotry onto your children or something.
Even little studios in Brokeistan and Poorisburg are making better, more moving and serious films than the US, and in Japan you can throw a rock in a video store and randomly hit some masterpiece of animated cinema. In the US all we get are comedies, action comedies and talking animal comedies, all of which are targeting kids and/or families. It drives me crazy.
I love their films, but I also hate them for being so damn popular.
I think you should make Hipster Ariel your new avatar.
You have to consider the historic reality. Every attempt to do animation in the US for a mainstream adult audience has failed. Every Single One, going back to Fantasia. When Disney said after it flopped he'd never try to do that again, all those who envied his successes followed suit. Oh, now and then you'll get a Fritz the Cat or Watership Down, but they're lucky to break even and the followups never do well.
The sad fact is US audiences don't want non-kids animated films. Even in this day of wall to wall anime, put something like the Cowboy Bebop movie in theaters and it does art house numbers. Oh, Disney has tried. Even apart from the flop that was Black Cauldron, Tarzan was the start of a trend towards more action films that gave us Atlantis the Lost Empire and Treasure Planet... at which point reality set in and they again stopped.
As for Pixar.... they're now working on a John Carter of Mars film. This will be their attempt to do just what you want. They've built up the brand name, secured their future... now it's time to take a huge risk.
FWIW I listen to DiF while exercising every evening, so aside from curing Lupus, DiF is also making fat people thinner.
Just to add balance to the equation, I've been known to drink beer and eat burritos while listening to DIf...so you're also making skinny people fatter
You have to consider the historic reality. Every attempt to do animation in the US for a mainstream adult audience has failed.
Is your point that Disney's Beauty and the Beast was aimed at a mainstream adult audience?
I think it was aimed at a family audience, which only includes adults, it's not comprised entirely of them. I can't think of an animated film aimed at a mainstream adult audience that has been what we're roundly calling "successful."
Aside from Avatar.
Yes, a fairytale movie was aimed at the non-kids market All ages toons that draw in adults has been done, many times, but animated movies that don't even try for the kids demographic? We didn't exactly see tons of them, let along good or successful ones, after Beauty and the Beast.
(on the other hand, TV exploded with great animation for teens and adults despite the greater limitations on content. Maybe because they didn't have to have that big opening weekend but could grow an audience)
I fail to see how Beauty and The Beast is targetted at a mainstream adult audience rather than a family audience, like all of Disneys other 90's movies. Overall it has a very similar tone to Lion King while still not being darker overall than Hunchback. There is really nothing about it that separates it from the 90's resurgence of Disneys family movies.
It's just perception here in the US is so screwed up and one dimensional. I went to see Princess Mononoke in the theater twice when it was showing and both times there was a large audience, and both times that audience would laugh at parts that were clearly not meant to be funny. There's a massacre going on in an early scene where samurai are hacking down fleeing peasants (laughter), and Ashitaka attacks them to stop the slaughter. He takes one guy's arms off (laughter) and then beheads another guy (laughter).
Basically all of the violent bits in the film were punctuated by laughter from the audience. It started getting really annoying by the end of the film when there was a pretty graphic battle sequence going on and the audience was making the sort of sound effects that you'd expect coming from a group of kids watching pro wrestling. I had hoped that the second screening would have either fewer people or a more sensible audience, but it was the same.
I think adults here have a hard time wrapping their heads around the concept that a cartoon doesn't have to be funny. Even the anime fans generally tend to focus primarily on shows that are either humorous or extremely graphic (which is apparently pretty god damn funny when it's animated for some reason).
I do have hope, tho, with some of these more recent kids' shows that have been coming out that do have some comedy elements but are more focused on telling a decent story with decent characters in various dramatic situations. The Last Airbender is a good example. The rebooted TMNT show was decent as well. The new Thundercats series looks like it'll be up there. A lot of the marvel / DC animated shows and movies are pretty good at keeping the comedy at a reasonable level.
I think my generation was drawn to darker animated stuff in general thanks to some bad-ass early anime stuff like Akira and Nausicaa (Warriors of the Wind... bleh...), Bakshi's movies and Secret of NIMH. There was a lot of dark kids movies in general released around the time that VHS became pervasive, so a lot of us grew up with stacks of these kids movies that our parents bought us or that we taped off TV that were amazingly violent or depressing for kids movies (at least when you compare them to today's crap).
I guess the problem with those movies is that even tho I absolutely adore them, and most people in my generation grew up with ET, Nimh, Watership Down, Bakshi's stuff, Neverending Story, Dark Crystal, Willy Wonka and all this other dark, weird stuff, not many of them actually made that much money. But then they made Home Alone, Hook, Problem Child and crap like that in the early 90's and those movies made so much money they had to build new buildings just to store it all, so the trend went from good movies about characters learning a valuable lesson while having some kind of adventure - usually in an effort to help, resue or protect some other character - to soulless crap movies generated by a committee that featured spoiled petulant brats in some situation where they didn't get their way, so the film follows their antics of vengeance or manipulation through deceit, theft, physical violence, etc and the only valuable lesson they end up learning is "you should do whatever it takes to get your way".
I guess Pixar's films aren't as bad as a lot of other kid's films, but a lot of the character arcs still involve selfish motivations - especially the arcs of the main characters. Granted, the characters generally learn that valuable lesson of giving a shit about the other characters, but in the older films it was never an issue. Mrs Brisby was trying to save her kids, Elliot was trying to protect ET, Nausicaa was trying to save her village, etc. There were tons of examples of characters whose goal was to help some other character or group. How many modern kids films have plots like that? How To Train Your Dragon. uh... Bug's Life?
Maybe it's just me, tho. Sorry for the kinda long rambling post(s) I make here. I tend to end up in a line of thought and just explore it for a while to see where it's going. You should see some of the insane crap I have written in the various notebooks and sketch pads I have strewn about the house.
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