Topic: The Frighteners

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Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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11 minutes into this commentary, I head desk out of frustration when Teague goes, "In the chat room..." and isn't able to finish, as I'm almost certain he was going to say, "In the chat room, johnpavlich mentions 'Roger Ebert didn't like this film, mainly because he felt it was a 2-hour, FX demo where everything happens.' He then asks, 'Why does that have to equal a bad film that's not worthwhile? By that rationale, you could call T2 a bad film.'"

Thankfully, I can now express this and pose the question to you all here. I find this film very creative, original and entertaining. I also think it's some of Michael J. Fox's best work. The Director's Cut is mostly unnecessary, as what was cut from theaters is just extended gags by the VFX team, being done basically because they could. However, the big scene with Jeffery Combs and his back story I feel is very crucial to understanding the character and the performance. That's the one moment where I feel the Director's Cut is superior over the more familiar version.

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Tech demo movies can be entertaining in their own right, in the same way a piece of piano music written just to show off incredibly hard techniques can also be emotional and moving. It's just a rare combination, otherwise the early Pixar shorts and movies wouldn't have stood out so much from all the other early CGI demos.

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*consults notes*

*clears throat*

Shut up, Ebert.

*sits down*

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I know Ebert is a renowned and loved critic and everything, but fuck that guy. He spoiled the film Super for me in his review......in the first fucking paragraph! Won't be reading him again. He didn't like the film, fine, doesn't give him the right to spoil it for those of us who may actually enjoy it.

And he was talking shite about The Frighteners too, it's great.

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I stopped caring about Ebert when he said video games aren't art.

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I'm so conflicted about Ebert.  His argument about Video Games as art is totally asinine, and he has others which can be equally infuriating.  But I revere the role criticism has in filmmaking and I think over the course of his career he's arced towards a very positive impact on film.  Not only that but he truly advocates for quality film and his passion is unmistakable.  I respect him a great deal for jumping headfirst into blogging.  Like many prolific bloggers find out, A blog isn't a thesis that you can slave over and mold as your perspective changes.  It's a snapshot of your best articulated feelings IN THAT TIME AND PLACE.  I think if he were to write that same post now, it would be much more nuanced.  But, he puts his feelings out there and he doesn't apologize or back peddle, he simply states his reasoning and updates on wether that viewpoint changes or not.  Also, much like Andrew Sullivan, he has no problem posting and linking to articles that completely savage his opinions.

I don't share all or even most of his opinions, but the man has had a huge impact on both criticism and film itself, and can't be overlooked.  Personally, he was hugely influential on me in terms of defining taste and recognizing the importance of spirited debate.  Siskel and Ebert was a staple in my household as a child from back in the PBS days, and now with At The Movies back on PBS, it's taken its place again as required viewing in the Doty household.

Eddie Doty

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My problem with Ebert is how often his "reasoning" seems to consist of "I'm right and you're dumb." An occasional backpedal is not a bad thing if you can recognize you were wrong/ill-informed about something. Instead he takes the intellectually lazy route of declaring a position based on minimal information and impugning the character or authority of anyone who dares to disagree. Even recusing himself from the video games debate was less "I shouldn't have said anything because I don't know enough about the subject" and more "I shouldn't have said anything because you're all a bunch of mad Philistines who can neither be controlled nor reasoned with."

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I don't think you're entirely wrong, but he did come out and say plainly, "I'm in no position to say Video Games can never be art, because it's in the future and there's no way of knowing."

He did also have a few words for fanboys, and honestly considering just how many cracks I saw directed at his weight and health issues, I can understand just a tad bit of acrimony on his part.  I love nerdy things, but nerd culture can be an ugly, ugly beast at times.  Look no further than the Donald Glover/Spider Man debacle.  If he would have said "From what I've seen, in their current incarnation, video games are not art." I seriously wouldn't have given a shit.  But he took it a step further then he needed, undoubtedly.  As a result, he got rightfully shelacked by folks, and at the end of the day I truly felt like while his opinion didn't shift, it did change his perspective a bit.  That's what good debate should do.

I also understand the almost willful ignorance of a lot of younger folk and the temptation to snap back with some invective, like Roger did.  Shit, I'm 33 and I feel like waving my cane at my wife's dance students when they think Britney's new single is great song writing.  Certainly that's not a 1-1 comparison of video game fans to tween girls, but as a regular player of WoW and Halo I can tell you without hesitation that most gamers I've played with are fucking loons.

Eddie Doty

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Astroninja Studios wrote:

Shit, I'm 33 and I feel like waving my cane at my wife's dance students when they think Britney's new single is great song writing.

You're younger tham me. Just anyway. My sister is 19 and I often look at the stuff she likes to listen to and watch and think- 'really?' When she was a kid, I had her on a healthy diet of Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, Back to the Future and Quantum Leap. Now, she watches reality shows and 90210.  She does play the occasional game, though.

Kids. big_smile

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I was listening to the show and you kept talking about how Peter Jackson was "Given" Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson wasn't given Lord of the Rings he pitched it to Miramax as a 2 films but decided to go elsewhere when they wanted to cut the entire 3 book trilogy into a single 2 hour movie.
When they came to New Line it was them who decided 2 movies was too little and said it should be a trilogy.

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Oh.

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Welcome to the forums!

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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The fact remains that he didn't have the rights to LOTR and he had to convince someone to 1) buy the rights, 2) fund the films, and 3) let him be the one at the helm.

It's a fair point that we probably made it sound like it was just handed to him on a silver platter, when he had to put in some serious legwork. But however you want to put it, if I were in the position in 1998 to hire Peter Jackson to helm a $300 million epic undertaking of an epic trilogy that we weren't even planning to make until he walked in the door, I don't know if I'd have done it no matter how good his pitch was. So New Line -- and Robert Shaye in particular -- gets my admiration for sacking up and taking a chance.

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never mind, my error

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Last edited by MasterZap (2011-04-28 12:49:31)

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No kidding, Dorkman.  People don't often realize just how much was riding on that first film, especially.  Had it tanked, New Line absolutely would have gone out of business and PJ would be directing Zippy's commercials in New Zealand (they have Zippy's in New Zealand, I think).  Jus tthe fact that Peter and Fran always pitched LOTR as two movies goes to show what conventional thinking was at the time: there's no way they are giving me three films off the bat.  Robert Shaye has balls bigger than I ever will.

Eddie Doty

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I don't think it's unfair to draw a comparison between Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings and JMS's Babylon 5, at least as far as industry influence goes. In both cases they created projects that demanded multiple movies/seasons to finish the story and had a definite ending, and when others attempted to do the same type of thing they almost all crashed and burned smile None of the other "5 year story arc" TV series lasted more then a season or two, and we have a growing number of "book 1" adaptations that will never see a followup. They both also broke some industry stereotypes, in that LotR was the first Fantasy movie to really break through and got others to be green lit, and B5 was the first non-Trek SF to last on TV and opened the floodgate.

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Astroninja Studios wrote:

No kidding, Dorkman.  People don't often realize just how much was riding on that first film, especially.  Had it tanked, New Line absolutely would have gone out of business....

Only a few short years later, The Golden Compass would have that "honor". Now, New Line (like a lot of once big companies these days) is mainly a distributor. It's sad, really. New Line used to be a beacon for new and innovative talent, often in the Horror genre where they could be really creative.

Bob Shaye is still a great man, though. smile

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