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I still wish one of the Toy Story movies would have had a Star Trek 2 moment, where Woody has to watch Buzz slowly die. When that scene started in Toy Story 3 I thought they might actually go there, but what they came up with was still pretty awesome. Either way, this excites me a hell of a lot more than if they'd gotten a David Koepp, or a (god help us) Lindelof.

Especially given this:

Since winning the Oscar for Sunshine, Arndt has lectured extensively on the art of storytelling at numerous writers’ retreats, like the Hawaii Writers Conference in Maui and the Austin Film Festival, always featuring a lengthy and detailed explanation of why the original Star Wars’ ending is so creatively satisfying.

At these talks, Arndt always tells attendees that Star Wars’ enduring appeal has to do with resolving its protagonists goals’ nearly simultaneously, at the climax of the movie. In the comments section of a discussion about a Star Wars talk Arndt gave at the Austin Film Festival in 2010, one attendee of the seminar notes, "Arndt stated that if a writer could resolve the story's arcs (internal, external, philosophical) immediately after the Moment of Despair at the climax, he or she would deliver the Insanely Great Ending and put the audience in a euphoric state. The faster it could happen, the better. By [Arndt’s] reckoning, George Lucas hit those three marks at the climax of Star Wars within a space of 22 seconds."

Indeed, in the third act of Star Wars, as Arndt explained to his young screenwriting Padawans at the 2009 Hawaii Writers Conference, its central characters' main goals all are met on pages 89 through 91 of the original Lucas script: At the crescendo of Star Wars, a spectral Obi Wan urges, “Use the Force, Luke,” and he does, thus reaching his inner goal (fighting self-doubt to become a hero). Han Solo reappears (meeting the philosophical goal of overcoming selfishness with altruism) to shoot down Darth Vader, which allows Luke to use the Force to mentally guide his shot and blow up the Death Star (outer goal and inner goals simultaneously met).

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Well, also, they're obviously going to lock down the cast before they go to work finalizing a script, since it could potentially radically change depending on who/how-many from the original trilogy signs on.

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Teague, that is amazing. Man, now I want to see a poster like that but for the good version of this movie, where it's mark hamill, harrison ford, carrie fisher, nathan fillion, scarlett johanssen, with kurt russell as the villain, directed by Alfonso Cuaron.

I will say, my favorite part of the whole movie was the shitty Tom Hanks film dramatization of Cavendish's story, that put a big smile on my face.

I'm trying to kind of describe why the movie didn't work for me, but to be honest I can't really place it. I just feel like the individual story payoffs are really unoriginal and weren't doing anything for me. I mean you've got Hugo Weaving as a hitman, going up against motherfucking Keith David, and you don't even give me a proper showdown between them, and just have him get killed in a really lame "girl-power" moment. I think that's another big problem, this movie is extremely broad with both its themes and lots of the dialogue. I am so over seeing characters tell other characters off about how bad slavery/oppression is while emotional music plays in the background. The whole thing feels like a 15 year-old's version of an empowerment film, pretending to be important without any real depth to it (I felt similarly about V for Vendetta for what it's worth). And I hate the design of the "sub-conscious" character in the far-future segment, such an on-the-nose and unsubtle way of getting that idea across. At the end, I walked away feeling absolutely nothing.

Part of the problem might be that I saw Fish Story a week earlier, loved the hell out of it, and really felt like it hit all of these same ideas and story beats in a much more fun and original way.

Great review Dorkman. I wish I could agree with you, but I'm glad you loved it.

Here's my problem with it. Yes, the editing is extremely impressive and they pull that aspect off, no question.
However, to me, the whole movie comes off as empty and pointless, and the primary reason is this:
For the most part, each individual story is like the "Surrogates" of its respective genre.

We get the most generic and uninteresting mystery story (an evil corporation? way to stretch those narrative muscles), a pretty generic sci-fi blade runner ripoff (with a protagonist who does almost nothing except get dragged around by the badass hero who has pretty much 0 characterization, a story about a white guy freeing a slave which makes him feel better about himself (which plays out exactly to the letter like you'd expect).

Even the stories that could potential be more original and interesting, like the far future one and the escaping old people one, are greatly undercut by the lack of runtime. Plot points get dropped all over the place (the mobsters from the beginning of the Cavendish story who completely vanish, Susan Sarandon suddenly showing up at the end without even a scene of the two re-uniting).

And it's totally understandable to me that this is simply an unwinnable problem you run into by trying to cram 6 stories in 2 hours 40 minutes. My contention though, is that this either needed to be a mini-series, or they should've made some hard choices and cut 2 of the storylines and fleshed out the other 4.

The fact is that as outstanding as the cross-cutting is, aside from being interesting on a theoretical level, it all goes to waste because the stories are mostly generic, forgettable, and uninteresting, like watching rough story outlines before the writers put in any of the interesting details or quirks that would've made them unique.

And that's a damn shame, cause I really wanted to like it.

I've heard RZA's original cut of this was 4 hours, and he wanted to release it as 2 films Kill Bill style, but was forced to cut down to 90 minutes by Roth and the studio (storming out of the editing room for 2 weeks at one point). While that version is probably still not a masterpiece, I suspect this explains a lot of the narrative issues.

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(473 replies, posted in Episodes)

Worth reading: http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2012/11/e … ealed.html
Obviously just rumour at this point, and the guy is a known huuuge shill for 3d, but almost all of his major scoops from the last 2-3 years have turned out true (he called the non-lucas directed star wars 2 years ago, as well as many specific things that ended up happening with The Hobbit and Avatar). I'm inclined to believe his sources are legit, so I figured I'd share since this isn't stuff that gets mentioned on any of the big news sites.

I would lose my shit if Cuaron got to make a Star Wars movie.

908

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redxavier wrote:

The Matrix was the last film I distinctly remember appearing from literally out of nowhere, seeing trailers for it in a New York hotel a week before it came out.

I think you're right, I remember this as well. Literally a week before it came out I started seeing tv spots for it, and I distinctly remember going "Holy shit, what the hell is this thing?"

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Sadly I'm mostly too young to remember that time. It only existed for about 2 years for me, when I was just a kid, going to the movie rental section of the grocery store and just picking out movies that looked cool off the cover. I remember being SO excited when I saw there was a movie version of Wing Commander (sidenote: for a shitty movie, still an awesome main theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cohxgOVcK8E). Alas, the next year came the internet and I'd know every genre film coming out pretty much 2 years out.

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This whole thing does make me think though. Considering how they managed to keep it completely secret for almost a year, how fucking awesome would it have been if they went and made the entire movie in secret, then suddenly just put out a trailer and an announcement: "By the way, Star Wars 7 comes out next weekend".

How much would the internet lose their shit, it'd be glorious. In the age of knowing everything years in advance, I'm still holding out hope for a studio to do something crazy like that one day.

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I called bullshit on that as soon as I saw it, and it's since been debunked: http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/debunk … isode-vii/

Which is probably for the best, because I think the awfulness of Lindelof would more than outweigh the awesomeness of Brad Bird

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X3 isn't entertaining on an action movie level though, it feels like a TV movie, the most generic and boring shots throughout, and tons of cgi all over the place.

X2 absolutely trounces it within just the amazing opening action sequence, though I agree that it never matches that throughout the rest of it (Bryan Singer just isn't a very ambitious or interesting action director, see Superman Returns).

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(473 replies, posted in Episodes)

Aronofsky will most definitely not be involved.

I suspect the only reason he was signing on to Wolverine was because he wanted to do Noah but couldn't get the budget for it since his movies were mostly flops. He was going to bite the bullet and do a safe studio job, except Black Swan turned out to be a completely unexpected huge hit, and he didn't need the Wolverine gig anymore.

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(473 replies, posted in Episodes)

Of course, Jermey Soule!!! I forgot about that completely, but man that guy is perfect.
His work on Guild Wars 2 and Total Annihilation is absolutely amazing

915

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It's hard to describe it, Incredibles is "big" in a different way. Incredibles is explicitly playing around in classic James Bond John Barry scores, it's a great score and my favorite of his, but it's not the kind of big I'm talking about. That one is more of a 50s/60s espionage homage.

I'm talking the big-scale fantasy scores that get you absolutely pumped up, like a Star Trek 2, Lord of the Rings, Independence Day, Conan Barbarian type of big, where the movies are built around big battles and the score sweeps you along and drives the movie. The kind of thing James Horner used to do in his prime.
Examples:


That type of scoring has almost entirely died out as of late, we see much more stuff in the modern hans zimmer vein (which is also excellent, but doesn't fit for a classical adventure series like Star Wars).

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Hahaha, Teague, I respect you (you certainly know your way around music much more than I do),
but you're right that we'll never agree on this one.

I'm prepared to change my mind if I hear a large-scale, thematic, memorable, sci-fi/fantasy score from the man, but so far it's all been disappointment. Star Trek, John Carter, Super 8, all duds.

I've said it before, Giachinno is a brilliant composer, but he can't write "big" music to save his life, he's great for thrillers and mid-scale stories, but not the guy you want on Star Wars.

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Oh god I hope they don't use Giacchino (last thing I need is him fucking up both the Star Trek and Star Wars themes). Ideally Williams is around for another 20 years to keep the ship going. If not him, then I'd settle for another veteran who knows their way around a memorable score, like a Silvestri, or a David Arnold.

If they have to go for younger blood, I'd love for them to use John Powell, How to Train Your Dragon is the most classic-John-Williams-sounding score I've heard in the last few years.

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(473 replies, posted in Episodes)

They've said it'll be an original story, no Thrawn trilogy (thank god)

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If Disney does decide to crack down, Pink Five will likely be the last large-scale fan film ever made.

920

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Doctor Submarine wrote:
Dorkman wrote:

Also, AVENGERS 2 and STAR WARS 7 will now come out the same summer.

Along with Justice League. And Avatar 2. And the last Hunger Games movie.

Those poor VFX artists, are there even enough people in the vfx industry to handle this much stuff at the same time? I recall Avatar 1 was so huge they had like 15 companies working on that thing, that line-up is like that times 20.

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(473 replies, posted in Episodes)

Realllly hoping they get Brad Bird to do Star Wars 7. If anyone can inject the sense of fun the series has been sorely missing it's that guy.

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Can't wait for next year's first annual Laser Sword Choreography Competition

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Are lightsabers considered canon if you don't name them?
Can Lightsaber Choreography entries still be made as long as they don't explicitly reference any lore/characters (like this year's winning entry)? Or is that now dead too

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Except that the only good Marvel film to come out since the acquisition has been Avengers, and that was entirely Joss Whedon's doing (and even then it was fun but nothing groundbreaking).

If Thor, Tron Legacy, John Carter, or Pirates 4 are an indication of what to expect from new Star Wars/Indiana Jones we're in a bad spot.

SO in my continuing quest of re-watching forgotten/hated sci-fi movies from my childhood, I pulled up "Sphere" on netflix streaming. This is an interesting one because I kinda dug it as a kid, and I will say, while the 2nd half of that movie is a goddamn clusterfuck, it's got a really fucking cool premise, and that 1st half is pretty damned good. What I especially like is how it harkens back to more classical sci-fi, where it's just a bunch of scientists trying to logically approach and figure out what is going on. There's also a pretty fun sense of humour between everyone, and they feel like real adults for awhile.

The part that's always stuck with me is when Samuel Jackson reasons out 20 minutes into the movie that clearly they are all going to die, since there was no record of their discovery on the ship from the future.

Of course the second half falls apart spectacularly. Having read and also enjoyed the book, this is a clear case where I really think they should've ditched where the book goes in the 2nd half and found an alternate 3rd act. Killer jellyfish and a giant squid is just a stupid, goofy concept in an otherwise pretty hard-sci-fi movie, and I cannot fathom how they thought this would work as they were making it. It should also be noted that this cribs pretty heavily from Tarkovsky, being kind of a combination of Solaris and Stalker, but applied to a b-movie sci-fi thriller.

Still, for what is ultimately universally acknowledged as a failure, I'd argue there's still some things to like in the film, certainly worth checking out if you've never seen it.