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Unfortunately lots of people (especially the young ones, at which SW is supposedly targeted) are perfectly happy with the SE Blu-Rays.

At least we can count on all the people from originaltrilogy.com to shell out. After all, the lousy LaserDisc-quality 2006 DVD release was a result of their petition (but that was an easy-to-make, low-cost edition).

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fireproof78 wrote:
TheGreg wrote:

Hmm. Maybe. I'm not really aware of anything other than the three movies, and I guess in my mind the decision is whether to try to add another three to the real three, or more junk to the EU.

fireproof78 wrote:

But it wouldn't be EU, as it would be canon, since Disney can declare it so. How the fans accept it, or don't, really won't affect the brass at the top anymore than it affected Lucas' overall approach to the prequels.

I don't see why you think Disney has any more ability to declare it canon than any other random bum on the street. I mean, Lucas has been rambling for years about there being more to the canon than three movies, and that's clearly bullshit.

fireproof78 wrote:

Now, and not to sound overly optimistic, there is the real possibility that someone, who is a fan, will step in with more respect to the OT.
Merchandising will never be the problem-never was for Star Wars, and never was for Disney, so obviously the combined two is a powerhouse.

I'm not sure I share your optimism, but, hey, we can hope.

fireproof78 wrote:

I disagree that we can expect more Ewoks too. Look at the "Clone Wars" cartoon. Even if you don't watch it, the marketing has carried forward with the same impact as the movies, without delving in to the same child appeal as Ewoks.

I'll check it out.

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More from the rumor mill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQe7sbN- … e=g-high-u

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TheGreg wrote:
fireproof78 wrote:
TheGreg wrote:

Hmm. Maybe. I'm not really aware of anything other than the three movies, and I guess in my mind the decision is whether to try to add another three to the real three, or more junk to the EU.

fireproof78 wrote:

But it wouldn't be EU, as it would be canon, since Disney can declare it so. How the fans accept it, or don't, really won't affect the brass at the top anymore than it affected Lucas' overall approach to the prequels.

I don't see why you think Disney has any more ability to declare it canon than any other random bum on the street. I mean, Lucas has been rambling for years about there being more to the canon than three movies, and that's clearly bullshit.

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Yeah, I may be an overly optimistic guy (maybe) but my point was i GL's mind, his movies were the canon, then the EU was part of another canon, and he called it an alternate universe. So, his perspective was that movies were essentially his canon-so, the owner of the franchise, in my opinion (feel free to disagree smile ) can declare it canon. That's my take and perhaps I am wrong.

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My reaction when I heard the news...

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I'm pretty sure seeing all three of them together reprising their iconic roles would make my head explode.

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Hansen wrote:

I'm pretty sure seeing all three of them together reprising their iconic roles would make my head explode.

They might announce a director soon, and move forward contract discussions to the the original 3 onboard.
Which...is...crazy!

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If they're setting the cast without at least a story outline, this could be very fun smile

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Presumably they're setting it based on the outlines George provided. Which, fine. The problem with him was execution more than concept.

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Well, also, they're obviously going to lock down the cast before they go to work finalizing a script, since it could potentially radically change depending on who/how-many from the original trilogy signs on.

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Dorkman wrote:

Presumably they're setting it based on the outlines George provided. Which, fine. The problem with him was execution more than concept.

I take it you haven't seen the prequels?

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Space taxes and trade embargoes were probably a part of George's concept...

(Not to mention Jar Jar and the whole "kid appeal" thing.)

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fireproof78 wrote:

Yeah, I may be an overly optimistic guy (maybe) but my point was i GL's mind, his movies were the canon, then the EU was part of another canon, and he called it an alternate universe. So, his perspective was that movies were essentially his canon-so, the owner of the franchise, in my opinion (feel free to disagree smile ) can declare it canon. That's my take and perhaps I am wrong.

I see that you're taking the view that canon flows from authority, and that you invest GL with a certain level of authority based on his role in the franchise. I think this is very similar to the situation that you see in the religious community (which is of course the origin of the word), where some people invest the Pope, or some other religious leader or group, with the authority to define which texts are canonical. Obviously there is a lot of disagreement with that, especially within the protestant church, where the ability of a structure or individual to make decisions on behalf of the community is much more controversial.

I think I take the view of some of the more progressive protestant churches that what material is canon is a matter of conscience for the individual. It's not something that an authority figure can dictate. Furthermore, I think it it's possible for an authority figure to loose the moral right to exert authority. I would be more inclined to allow GL a role as Pope of Star Wars if he had shown more commitment to the values and principles that informed the OT.

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Hansen wrote:

I'm pretty sure seeing all three of them together reprising their iconic roles would make my head explode.

Like that montage in Battleship where the geriatrics get the ship prepped. Only Han knows just where to bang the console to boot up the Falcon

not long to go now...

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Brad Bird: http://youtu.be/3rBpliHAVOQ

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OMG! Watch this weeks South Park!

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Michael Arndt (TOY STORY 3) has written a treatment and is expected to write a draft of the script. (according to "sources")

"Boo hoo, Disney's going to sanitize everything to make it kid friendly."

Yeah, like the time Woody and pals almost burned alive in a roaring hellscape and quietly accepted the inexorable approach of death.

TS3 being the best -- and ballsiest -- of the franchise, this is stellar ( lol ) news if true.

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I still wish one of the Toy Story movies would have had a Star Trek 2 moment, where Woody has to watch Buzz slowly die. When that scene started in Toy Story 3 I thought they might actually go there, but what they came up with was still pretty awesome. Either way, this excites me a hell of a lot more than if they'd gotten a David Koepp, or a (god help us) Lindelof.

Especially given this:

Since winning the Oscar for Sunshine, Arndt has lectured extensively on the art of storytelling at numerous writers’ retreats, like the Hawaii Writers Conference in Maui and the Austin Film Festival, always featuring a lengthy and detailed explanation of why the original Star Wars’ ending is so creatively satisfying.

At these talks, Arndt always tells attendees that Star Wars’ enduring appeal has to do with resolving its protagonists goals’ nearly simultaneously, at the climax of the movie. In the comments section of a discussion about a Star Wars talk Arndt gave at the Austin Film Festival in 2010, one attendee of the seminar notes, "Arndt stated that if a writer could resolve the story's arcs (internal, external, philosophical) immediately after the Moment of Despair at the climax, he or she would deliver the Insanely Great Ending and put the audience in a euphoric state. The faster it could happen, the better. By [Arndt’s] reckoning, George Lucas hit those three marks at the climax of Star Wars within a space of 22 seconds."

Indeed, in the third act of Star Wars, as Arndt explained to his young screenwriting Padawans at the 2009 Hawaii Writers Conference, its central characters' main goals all are met on pages 89 through 91 of the original Lucas script: At the crescendo of Star Wars, a spectral Obi Wan urges, “Use the Force, Luke,” and he does, thus reaching his inner goal (fighting self-doubt to become a hero). Han Solo reappears (meeting the philosophical goal of overcoming selfishness with altruism) to shoot down Darth Vader, which allows Luke to use the Force to mentally guide his shot and blow up the Death Star (outer goal and inner goals simultaneously met).

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That photo makes more sense now! big_smile

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Confirmed.

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TheGreg wrote:
fireproof78 wrote:

Yeah, I may be an overly optimistic guy (maybe) but my point was i GL's mind, his movies were the canon, then the EU was part of another canon, and he called it an alternate universe. So, his perspective was that movies were essentially his canon-so, the owner of the franchise, in my opinion (feel free to disagree smile ) can declare it canon. That's my take and perhaps I am wrong.

I see that you're taking the view that canon flows from authority, and that you invest GL with a certain level of authority based on his role in the franchise. I think this is very similar to the situation that you see in the religious community (which is of course the origin of the word), where some people invest the Pope, or some other religious leader or group, with the authority to define which texts are canonical. Obviously there is a lot of disagreement with that, especially within the protestant church, where the ability of a structure or individual to make decisions on behalf of the community is much more controversial.

I think I take the view of some of the more progressive protestant churches that what material is canon is a matter of conscience for the individual. It's not something that an authority figure can dictate. Furthermore, I think it it's possible for an authority figure to loose the moral right to exert authority. I would be more inclined to allow GL a role as Pope of Star Wars if he had shown more commitment to the values and principles that informed the OT.

You make an interesting analogy and your point is well said.
It may be that GL is no longer the Pope of Star Wars (insert random Space Pope joke here) but that does not change his view on canon, that to him, the movies and what he does are it, but the EU and other books are there and that's great, but they do not affect him.
In all honesty, if GL were writing the sequels to the OT Luke would not be married, the Emperor doesn't come back and much of what happens in many beloved books is simply going to be in books. That's not my words-it was from an interview GL did.
So, while SW canon is subjective for the fans, the material used for movies is up to Lucasfilm. They are not bound by EU at all.
I good for-instance of this is Asajj Ventress' species name. Originally conceived as a  Rattaki (yes, I know that) the Nightsisters Trilogy in "The Clone Wars" establishes that both her and Darth Maul's race were the same and from the same planet. That changed what was originally written about the characters.

To further your church analogy a little bit, while Protestants do not recognize the same canon as Catholics or the authority of the Pope, most Protestant denominations have a common thread of "sola Scriptura" scripture alone as their canon. There are disagreements about some traditions and other interpretations, but the authority  of canon is usually consistent.

So, I regard the OT and PT as "canon" with other things being up for interpretation and Lucasfilm being able to decide what ultimately is movie material.

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Holden wrote:

Confirmed.

And they're off and running...
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