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Well, here's what Peter Gould (who wrote/directed Granite State) had to say about this question:
“The way I see it is that Heisenberg is gone. He keeps trying to kind of evoke the ghost of Heisenberg, the thrill of feeling powerful, and it’s not there. It’s gone. It died when Hank died…It died when he saw baby Holly. And then in the end…what’s happening is he’s becoming something new. It’s not Walter White; it’s not Heisenberg. It’s something new.”
Now THAT'S interesting.
To me the theme has always been that actions, regardless of intentions, have consequences. Even if your goal is noble, like say set your family up in case you die, it won't affect the outcome of what your actions have wrought.
I'd add that while actions have unintended consequences, there are some things that you can't change no matter what (cancer.)
Suddenly, hundreds of Breaking Bad fans rush to find a copy of Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium to look for hidden clues.
If anything, that last scene fits into the idea of the show being about what really happens when you go after what you think is "owed" to you.
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God DAMN. So I take it the final episode will be just Vince Gilligan whipping out his massive cock.
Normally I wouldn't post here during an episode but ROBERT FORSTER that is all.
How is it that you can post ONE FRAME from a movie and I instantly understand what you're saying? Star Wars, man. Crazy.
Well, Gilligan's said from day 1 that his original pitch for the series was that he was going to take Mr. Chips and turn him into Scarface, so he clearly knew that the show wasn't always going to be wacky.
Does this count as the FIYH episode for this week, or will there be another release?
To sort of drag this in a different direction, I would be curious to hear what y'all - each of y'all, plus everyone else - think the "theme" of the show actually is. Like, in your words, what's the show doing?
I also wonder if that's even a useful question to ask about a TV show. Movies, sure, they're a form factor that lends itself to making a point very clearly if the creators want it to. TV? Maybe not...
Well, to answer your last question, I don't think it's possible (or if is, it's super difficult) for a show's creators to have an overarching "theme" that they're working towards, simply because shows change and evolve so much over their courses. Breaking Bad as it stands might be far removed from whatever Vince Gilligan imagined when he first sat down to write the pilot.
But to your first point, I've had an idea brewing that I'll try to get out in a coherent way. I think that the show can be viewed as a pretty astute takedown of the "American dream." Americans have always characterized themselves as driven, motivated, and able to get whatever they want by sheer force of will. The traditional American Narrative is of the man who starts at the bottom, and through his own skill and determination is able to rise above challenges and get what he wants and deserves. Breaking Bad presents a man whose drive and motivation is his downfall. Look back at the show's timeline and you'll see numerous points where, had Walt just STOPPED and left it all behind, everything would have worked out much better than they ended up. Rather than listening to reason or making compromises, Walt feeds his ego at every turn. He's the dark-side version of the American Hero. He's a guy whose drive is dark and nasty, rather than noble and heroic. Sure, he says he's doing it for his family, but anyone who's really paying attention to the show knows that it's all about his ego 99% of the time. Maybe this sounds incoherent, but it's something that's been bouncing around in my brain for a while. And like I said before, this isn't the one-and-only interpretation for the show. The fun of criticism is that it allows for so many viewpoints.
Those are, more or less, the series’ racial politics in a nutshell. Walter White is not a racist, nor is he really a misogynist (though he’s said misogynistic things to his wife and Gretchen).
Apparently, saying "fuck you" is misogynist. I had no idea.
Also, to add, black men are the stupidest. Like historically, black men are the dumbest people. Ever.
"Little rich girl, just adding to your millions." --Walter, to Gretchen. That's misogynist.
Not sure what you're trying to say with that last part, but I kinda regret engaging here and I think maybe we should end this conversation before it gets uglier.
Okay, so all of those things are nitpicks that don't really affect the point of the article, so let's just dismiss them. As to your ultimate point, I think you're reading the article wrong. See, the way criticism works is that it opens itself up to differing, sometimes conflicting, interpretations. VanDerWerff isn't saying that this is the be-all-end-all way to interpret Breaking Bad. It's the opposite. He's using Breaking Bad as a way to explore an idea. This article doesn't say, "This is what Breaking Bad is really about and all other views are wrong." It says, "Here's a different way to approach Breaking Bad as a work of art." And you know what? Nothing he says in this piece is wrong. Walt is exactly the person who VanDerWerff accuses him of being. But again, that doesn't mean that he's only using Breaking Bad as a soapbox. He wrote a fascinating article for the AV Club that explores the show's pacing and plotting in the context of classical literature. By the way, where in that article does he call the show racist or misogynist? He doesn't.
Also, to finish, white men are kind of the worst. Like, historically, white men are the worst people. Ever.
I just read the absolute worst article ever written about Breaking Bad, To my complete lack of shock, it's from Salon.
Oh boy. Here we go.
The article absolutely nails Walt's character arc and makes some good points about the show's treatment of Latinos. VanDerWerff is a really smart guy and a great writer.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/doce … a-sequence
I think this was the episode where you guys talked about the awful video game scene in some TV show. I know it was a recent one. Anyway, this is it. Enjoy.
Ooh, I've got one. A movie version of Half-Life 2 directed by Alfonso Cuaron. You can get basically anyone to direct the first movie, but the second game is where things really start getting interesting. If Half-Life 1 is Die Hard meets Alien, then Half-Life 2 is Children of Men meets War of the Worlds.
You're friends with Geoff LaTulippe? I follow him on Twitter! He's great, very smart.
DON'T LISTEN TO SANISS. I mean, listen to him, but...whatever. This Is The End is one of the funniest movies I've seen in a long, long time. My friends and I saw it in a theater, and we all laughed so hard we couldn't breathe.
I'm still amazed by how careless uncle Jack's choices were.
Jack kills Hank against Walt's pleas, literally helps himself to the guy's fortune, and leaves Walt table scraps in the form of one measly barrel. Jack then presumes that a handshake will (excuse the pun) bury all grudges before sending Walt on his way.
Even a racist dummy like Jack should know that you can't take barrels full of cash from another criminal, or from anyone, and expect that bygones will be bygones.
He doesn't off Walt because of Todd's admiration for Walt. That's basically a sentimental reason for not tying up a loose end, the knot of which would allow you to get away absolutely clean with many millions of dollars. And Jack doesn't seem like a sentimental guy. Can he actually believe that a reluctant handshake from Walt means we're all square?
We know that Jack has contracted to kill people for far less money than is in the barrel he is gifting to Walt. When a barrel-full of millions is at stake, I'd think Jack would just say "My nephew will get over it" and summarily kill Walt. A super-ruthless mofo would have ordered Todd to be the one who kills Walt.
Well, like every antagonist the show has ever had, his one mistake is underestimating Walt. Tuco, Crazy-8, Gus...none of them saw Walt as a threat before it was too late. Jack still sees Walt as the kind of person to call in a hit on someone who isn't in prison because he's too emotionally fragile to do it himself.
That promo actually tells us a LOT more than the others have this season.
Here's a scene I'd LOVE to see: In a parallel with the pilot, Jesse mixes some chemicals together and makes them blow up in Todd's face, helping him to escape. He doesn't even have to have Walt's chemistry knowledge. He just has to throw a bunch of random crap in a pan, stand back and hope for the best.
Writer of Ozymandias Moira Walley-Beckett on Walt's phone call:
I personally feel like it wasn’t open to interpretation. I would hope that people got that it was an absolute ploy on Walt’s part. It is the family-man part of Walt playing the part of Heisenberg to exonerate Skyler. I was hoping that the process of the lie and the subterfuge would be clear and that viewers would be with Skyler in their understanding. When we first hear Walt, we think he’s gone full Heisenberg. It’s outrageous and horrible and abusive what he’s saying! But then we start to put the pieces together as Skyler does, and I was hoping people would sort of be traveling that journey with her.
Walt's reasons for wanting Jesse dead are all pretty much invalid now. He has no personal grudge against Jesse and never did - any more than he hated (or even knew the names of) all those murdered jailhouse witnesses. Walt's actions toward Jesse have always been driven by Jesse's usefulness and/or threat to Walt at any given moment.
So at first he hired the Nazis to kill Jesse because Jesse was working with Hank to bring Walt down. Then he was willing to let the Nazis execute Jesse in exchange for letting Hank live, but that was never going to happen. So then he gladly let the Nazis take Jesse so Walt himself could walk away, go get his family and escape. Except - Walt's own family screwed up that plan by refusing to run away with him.
So now Walt's lost everything... but there's also no potential harm to Walt if Jesse lives. The house of cards has already collapsed. So I don't think Walt's come all the way back to do harm to Jesse. I think in some twisted Walt-logic way, it may be the opposite.
Walt doesn't even know that Jesse's alive. The last time he saw Jesse, he had ordered him to be killed. By the way, Gilligan said on the BB Insider's Podcast that Walt initially blamed Jesse for Hank's death, which is why he told the Nazis where he was hiding. Whether or not that will still apply the next time we pick up with Walt is a mystery.
Hm. I'll be back to edit this post later.
1) A proper Dark Tower adaptation, like Universal was planning. An adaptation spread across multiple tv seasons and feature-length movies. With Aaron Paul as Eddie. And Zoe Saldana as Susannah. And maybe Russell Crowe as Roland? I dunno.
2) Good Omens as an HBO miniseries. Gaiman and Pratchett producing and writing a few episodes.
3) ??? I dunno.
I was running back through the series in my mind last night, and I was imagining a scenario where Walt never decided to cook meth. Walter is on his deathbed, but the rest of the world is doing just fine. Krazy-8 helped the DEA bust Jesse. He'll spend a couple years in jail, but once he gets through the court-mandated rehab, he might come out the other side a better person. Hank and Gomie are alive and well, and Hank is happy with Marie. Mike is watching his granddaughter play on the playground. Gale is happily cooking for Gus, who is perfectly pleased with Gale's 96%-pure output (and his subservient nature.) It was sort of a twisted It's A Wonderful Life. I couldn't think of a single character who wouldn't have been better off had Walt just died of lung cancer. Would his family be in dire financial straits? Sure, but they wouldn't be psychologically and emotionally scarred, forever unable to shake the specter of Walt's monstrous deeds done in their names. Breaking Bad has always been about cause and effect, and nothing demonstrated it better than Walt screaming, "We're supposed to be a family!" while his wife and son cowered from him in fear. In trying to save his family, he destroyed it. What an arc.
Also, WOW with the comments on that Think Progress piece. I can't believe people are still willing to defend Walt's actions, so far as to say that Hank's death was his own fault.
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