You're right, but time travel is clearly the reason for making the movie. Most of those other films aren't about time travel, it's just an excuse to have one or more characters go back and time so your high concept story can happen. What if a black guy was in camelot? What if there were cops that went through time? What if the future is totally fucked and they send prisoners back in time to try to fix things? Primer does this as well, but the time travel aspect was clearly the reason the film was even written. It wasn't an excuse to get Marty McFly back to 1955. It's not something you do at the beginning and then the end of the movie, it's a constant thing that drives the film.

It's not just two friends who start fucking each other over. The relationship deteriorates because of the time travel aspect. If they were just two dudes fucking each other over, they'd just have a scene where one finds out, they have a big fight and then they become enemies, or maybe they make up, or maybe one kills the other, etc. They're fucking each other with time travel, tho, and that gives everything this paranoid aspect where you're talking to a guy, but the same guy is in a meeting across town, or he starts following you even though he didn't follow you. It's central to the plot. It's not a gimmick, it's the reason the film exists, and it's the reason their relationship breaks down the way it does.

Or does it? It's been a while since I've seen it, and it's not exactly the easiest film to follow, but I got a sense that by the end they weren't really enemies, they were just not working together anymore. Their relationship was different, but they were never really trying to be hostile toward each other, it just seemed that way because the 'old' versions of themselves couldn't figure out what the 'new' versions of themselves were trying to accomplish. It makes me want to rewatch it again...

Meh.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

I don't like abortion, but I don't think that the government has the right to regulate what women do with their bodies.

Or anyone else for that matter.

Allison wrote:

Trey wrote:

I dunno if I would label Melisandre as evil, but she is definitely dangerous.  And worse still, she's often right.   And if she's right, then where's the line to be drawn when it comes to her doing what needs to be done?

That's the thing! I agree that burning people at the stake is probably not the best way to go, but she is really the only one concerned with a) ending the war with minimum casualties and b) THE TERRIFYING ICE ZOMBIES.  I do sympathize with those who wish to see Edric Storm and Gendry and all of the other bastards who carry king's blood live, but it seems to be the price to pay for peace. It's use a smoke Terminator to kill Renly in his tent, or waste thousands of lives and valuable land trying to kill him on the field. And if a few sacrifices can hold off the Others, are they justifiable? Does saving one child you know justify letting thousands you don't die?

In the long run, I worry about the people that become devoted to the LOL in the way Queen Selyse and her men do. I think view Stannis as someone who doesn't view himself as Azor Ahai, but is choosing embrace that myth as a means to an end. That is, he'll stop all this fire nonsense once order is restored. But if Selyse still has power during peace time, will we see more "heretics" being burned?

That is an interesting theme to explore and one that has been seen in fantasy before (read Sanderson's Mistborn, and even Denothor in LOTR to an extent). Once you have the power, do you allow it to end once you have accomplished your goal, ie Ice Zombies. Or, since you have played the role for so long, do you continue it to maintain your power base?

Doctor Submarine wrote:

BigDamnArtist wrote:

You have no idea how much this concept frustrates me.

A movie is a movie is a movie, and it's release date is no excuse for it's content.

Ugh.

/Haven't seen MoS, but...ugh

You wouldn't hold Before Midnight to a higher standard than White House Down? I mean, I get where you're coming from, but we have to draw a line.

Honestly, I would.

Now I'm not talking like, they both need to be cinematic expressions of the inner most thoughts and desires of the repressed subconscious mind here. But I'm not going to give a movie a free pass on not even trying to include a story or make sense, or insert X quality here, because it's a movie that has a release date between June and September. That's not how this works.

A bad movie is a bad movie. And you can like it if you want, I don't care, but at least call it what it is and not try to put some thin veiled smoke screen over top of it to try to excuse yourself.

Saw it just now. Not sure yet apart from that I loved it. It's the best Superman film to date. IMHO, anyway.

Really?

Well, ok then......

Why not? It's not like extra boards cost money.* I can post my prequels and finish fixing the Matrix sequels.

(*Do extra boards cost money?)