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Phi wrote:
BigDamnArtist wrote:

But then the movie goes and reminds you that it's still the same guys that made the first one, and is charming and smart and hilarious for 30 seconds before being rudely interupted by the CMCHTWHOBBTIOCATDLBIAATDAFRTTMSINGTBOV and being dragged back into the worst cliches. It really feels like there are two creative forces pulling this movie back and forth like some giant tug of war.

It's not actually the same guys that made the first one. Those guys went off and made The Lego Movie.

Sorry got side tracked by the "story by" credit on their imdb page last night. Either way, it reminds you that this movie has it's root's in that movie then. Point being, you can see that some of the sensibility of the first movie is trying to seep through.

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Boter wrote:

Wait, that's not what it's about? Wow. That's what the trailers sold me, too.


Mmmmhmm. It was in the first couple mins as soon as they introduced the "Childhood hero" I knew something was very very wrong...

Also the fact that there is a needlessly long plot review of the first movie at the start of this one, who's only purpose so far as I can tell is to provide a framework to introduce the "Childhood Hero".

Basically if you know anything at all about movies and I tell you "Childhood hero is actually evil." Meatballs 2 is exactly the movie you think it would be, plus a little bit of stuff between the cracks.

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Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/cloudywithachanceofmeatballs2/assets/images/onesheet.jpg

[minor spoilers]

So this just got added to Netflix, and I thought I'd finally give it a watch. And my feelings are really mixed on this one. I can't say I didn't enjoy it as there were plenty of moments I was out loud laughing, but there is just this whole other layer of stuff going on over top of it all.

It feels like a really cool movie trapped inside the shell of a movie suffering from the worst sorts of sequelitis. Mainly the "Completely Manufactured Childhood Hero That We Never Heard Of Before But Totally Inspired Our Character At The Deepest Level But Is Actually A Total Dick And For Reasons That Totally Make Sense Is Now Going To Be Our Villain" thing. It all just feels so direct to video. But then the movie goes and reminds you that it's still the same guys that made the first one, and is charming and smart and hilarious for 30 seconds before being rudely interupted by the CMCHTWHOBBTIOCATDLBIAATDAFRTTMSINGTBOV and being dragged back into the worst cliches. It really feels like there are two creative forces pulling this movie back and forth like some giant tug of war.

At the end of the day I spent more of the movie really just feeling bad for it because it was forced into this cage that it really shouldn't be, and that really did overshadow those moments where the charm and wit of the first movie shone through.

I kept thinking back on the movie as it was sold to me in the trailers, and really wanting that movie. There is a very very cool The Lost World sort of thing to be done here, where after being forced off the island by the mountain of food now covering, attempting to make some sort of life on the mainland, they start hearing rumours of something happening on the island. Nothing official, but mysterious rumours of things happening around the place where Swallow Falls used to be. So Flynt and the gang gear up and set out on a mission to figure out whats happening at thier old home. And it becomes much more of an adventure tale, discovering the island and the Foodimals, and then maybe having Flynt come to the conclusion that the machine needs to be shut down because they keep getting attacked and the last time the machine was set loose to run on it's own it almost killed them. But then along the way they discover that this place is amazing and the Foodimals are families, and Life Finds A Way and all that. It's not perfect and someone in a more cogent state of mind than myself at the moment could probably fill in the gaps a little better, but I would much rather watch that movie than one plagued by this ridiculous "Totally Not Apple" Evil Corporation and childhood hero wanting to destroy the paradise for his own gain thing.

So yeah, it's alright, when this movie is allowed to be itself it's very funny, there's some great absurd humour and jokes, but at the end of the day it's missing the cohesive originality and heart of the first one.

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redxavier wrote:
BigDamnArtist wrote:

...but the complaint was specifically lodged at MDK, so that's what I was responding too.

Not sure it really counted as a complaint, and the comment was less about MDK specifically and more about the potential for a double standard being applied. What for instance is acceptable exploitation of low common denominators and who gets to decide? Can all agree on the lowest common denominators anyway? Why is the use of cartoon animation ok for one channel and not for another? Why is one ridiculous comedy series better than another ridiculous comedy series?

You've explained your intentions better above, though I completely disagree on FreddieW's channel. I struggle to think of another channel that has broken the typical youtube mold of "talking crap into webcam" more.

Honestly, I can't answer that. And I am absolutely certain that it is 100% dependent on who you're talking too. But then, you ask one of my high school friends his opinion of the prequel trilogy and he'll give you a 4 hour lecture on why it is the sole and only piece of true art ever created. And I think we as a community might have a few points to bring to bare against him.

I fully expect this thread to be a battleground for certain points of view, in fact I hope it does. I have so many ideas and feelings about this entire area, but many fewer words to accurately convey them, debate seems to be the best way to find them.

Let me cast my argument into terms we are used to talking about on this forum. A couple of big tentpoles just got released this weekend; some kinda sci-fi thing where the trailer looked like it could be pretty cool, and some soccer-dad turned super spy thing. The former has a lot of cool ideas, the characters are just barely 2 dimensional, you can see the hints of some larger understanding going on behind the scenes, but it never manages to capitalize on it, then the ending is just the worst happily ever after deus ec machina BS you've ever seen, and the movie just winds up being sort of whatever. The latter is just stupid summer schlock, the studio clearly took over half way through, the characters are fleshy models to stand in front of explosions, and look hot.

Clearly none of us on this forum would be overly ecstatic over either of these, they're your typical modern summer whatever movies, we expect more, we want movies that are intelligent, make us think and feel, are entertaining without assuming we are idiots.

Now moving to youtube, the first kind of movie would hold all those little sci-fi shorts, the ones that look really cool, have some cool concepts, clearly someone, at some point along the way really cared about this thing but at the end of the day just wind up being a 5 minute action scene with no point. Or those projects or vlogs that people obviously care about but never seem to actually function properly, so it winds up falling back on the stereotypical jokes and format.

The second type of movie are the ones that don't even try, they simply grab the nearest internet fanboy reference and run with it. These are the ones that never even tried to make something beyond whatever it is they were making, "It's Mario holding a machete driving a tank through a bacon city, how is that not the most awesome thing you've ever seen????" Or yes, this section could also include the webcam on my laptop vlog about my cat's vomit, that youtube was so famous for back in the day.

As with our blockbusters, I'm not okay with that being the height of our online media. I know it can be more than that, we can have intelligent, entertaining, movies that don't feel the need to fall back on Scary Movie level shit and dick jokes.

Alright and I'll say this. Just as we say here that every movie doesn't need to be The Fountain, we are allowed to have fun. But we can also tell when we're being insulted by a movie.

And on that, I'm sure I've only muddied the waters further, but hey, that's my role in life apparently.

Couple more links:

Lizzie Bennet Diaries A modernized adaptation of Pride and Prejudice, presented as a series of vlogs by Lizzie Bennet, along with a few spin off vlogs by other characters that also tie into the story.

Geek and Sundry Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day's pet project. I primarily watch Tabletop (Essentially let's plays for Table Top games hosted by Wil Wheaton), I've watched a bit of Co-Optitude (The Day siblings revisist video games from their past) and it's fun, they also have some more narrative webseries' and other geek based vlog type series that I haven't checked out yet.

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Isaac wrote:

Are there many people who do listen to FIYH with the movie?  That isn't snark, but an honest question.  I know the show is formatted around that premise, but most people seem to have a specific place in their lives for podcasts, such as the car, the gym, or at work.  Do many people actually listen to it in perfect sync?

Yo.

The only time I watch a comm without the movie is when it's a comm I've listened to multiple times before. Which only really happened in years 1-3 ish, not so much these days.

I feel oddly honoured you would name a giant terrifying lizard after me Teague. I'm getting all choked up.

Will post actual ideas later, once cogitated upon.

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Hank posted this today.

And I thought it was oddly fitting, so Imma post it here.

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Boter wrote:

The interesting thing about My Drunk Kitchen lately is that it's not even the focus of Hannah's efforts online, I think. She's implied or even outright said that she doesn't enjoy drinking for the sake of getting drunk like when she first started the series - the difference of being 24 years old to 27 years old, probably - and instead does a ton of community outreach. On her tours she makes sure that stops are near places to gather a ton of fans and volunteer. Her vlog channel often takes on real and impactful subjects.

A weird way to look at it is, the girl who made it big by getting drunk online is a role model that every parent should be proud of their kids idolizing.

THIS. FUCKING THIS. ALL OF THIS. There is no argument on this planet that could ever convince Hannah doesn't deserve to be on this list, but the complaint was specifically lodged at MDK, so that's what I was responding too.

*Ahem*

Quite.

I think that's one of things I love most about a lot of youtube people, they got attention and a following doing..something, whatever thier thing was. But then a lot of them start using that audience, and that attention to do a lot of good. I mean John And Hank, and the 50 million things they started to do over the years, the Foundation to Reduce World Suck, the Project for Awesome, bringing ALOT of attention to Kiva. And then you have Hannah doing her stuff, KurtJMac raising...what is it now? Nearly 270 thousand dollars for Childs Play, the mindcrack guys doing a massive marathon adding nearly 120 thousand of those.

And NONE of that, would have happened without Youtube, and specifically the communities that grow around these channels. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Sam F wrote:

Yeah, I don't know much about Tesla but the whole "Tesla > Edison" thing is really annoying. I saw it on a bumper sticker the other day. Just seems like a pretentious (and pointless) thing to "stand for," without actually having to be smart.

Although, I think we can all agree, Edison was a massive asshole.

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Sam F wrote:

Well, she's getting up there, 49 years old. If she were 30 it might have felt a little weird to me, but a lean 50-year-old body is not going to look like a lean 30-year-old body. It didn't bother me.

Oh my gods... Sandra Bullock is almost as old as my dad...

I..really...really...don't know how to feel about this.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/f1fd86f33321816dfa5b01e30bce3d7c/tumblr_inline_n5hikc859i1ql2975.gif

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Thanks for pitching in guys, awesome to see.

And in response to the question of why My Drunk Kitchen made this list. I typed up some ridiculously long response last night that ultimately wound up going no where and achieving almost nothing, and decided, rightly, not to post it. But now having had a day to mull it over, I think I have an answer that makes some sense.

When I say "smart youtube", I'm not just referring to channels that promote intelligence, rational thinking and curiosity, although those are great and amazing things to have. But just having those would render my idea of youtube as a smart, entertainment platform, a bit null, leaving it more of an entertaining classroom than anything. So I think what I mean when I say smart youtube, is channels and content creators that are very clearly trying to go outside of the status quo of internet entertainment, go outside the first gut reaction punchline, channels that don't repackage memes and throw them at your face in a new shiny coat.

And I think all of the channels I posted do that. When you hear the name My Drunk Kitchen and I tell you it's a youtube show, your mind (probably) instantly flashes to visions of drunken frat boys around a stove pouring beer on large flanks of meat... or some such stereotypical visage of drunks and cooking. But that's not what MDK is, the drunk part of MDK is just a small aspect of the show, it's not vulgar or excessive, I mean she has some drinks, tries to cook something, makes puns, and is adorable for 10 minutes. To me that seems like something new and different, and entertaining.

Regular Ordinary Swedish Mealtime takes the idea of a cooking show, (and just to drive my point home, we'll use Epic Meal Time as a comparison here), and completely flips it over. Whereas Epic Meal Time is based on "hmm, what does the internet love? Oh bason, whiskey and douchebags....ALLTHEBACONWHISKEYANDDOUCHEBAGSTHEN", Swedish Mealtime is in a foreign... I'm assuming real..ish language, not that it actually matters, making normal food, in an extreme manner. It's something so off the wall and weird, that you have to admire the guts it took to make it, it could have just floundered and been forgotten, but they did it, and did it as damn good as they could, and it found an audience.

I mean they aren't perfect examples, and I'm sure there are better ones out there, and I'm certain my explanation is lacking, but hopefully I'm getting at least some of my point across. At the end of the day, I think a smart youtube is one where creators are pushing the boundaries, saying "Yes, I know we're an internet based show, but we can make legitimate, original, entertaining content, without relying on those push-me-and-I-giggle buttons that a certain sector of internet users rely so heavily on". Which is why I include channels like MDk and ROSWT, and decidedly don't include channels like CorridorDigital and FeddieW. And then add in all the channels using youtube as a source to spread intellectualism and scientific curiosity and all that good stuff into the definittion as well...  maybe my definition should be kind of two fold... ehhh, I'll keep working on it.

Hopefully that makes sense, and maybe gives you guys a better idea of why I see youtube and online media creation the way I do.

PS. Unfortunately this definition does sort of highlight why I have hesitation about posting music channels. Music is something altogether different, music is...well...music, I know that sounds condescending, and it's not meant to. But at the end of the day, it's very very hard to make a music chanel something truly special, such that it stands out. I think Pomplamoose does this by making fantastic and original music videos while also having spectacular music. Gunnarolla and Andrew Huang I include because they work very closely with their fans in their content creation, it is much more of a community than it is an artist producing and releasing an album. Whereas, a channel like Mike Tompkins or Peter Hollens, while they are very good musicians, and the quality of their work is very high, I just find it blending into the background in the context of this thread. Where that actual dividing line is, I don't know, and more than likely it is something decided solely on personal preference. So please by all means post artists you love who are making high quality content, I have no issue with that and would love to find new music channels, this little PS was more me talking through an issue I have with my own definition and the idea of this little concept.

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[Edit: to be reviewed upon regaining conciousness for fear of saying things I won't understand tomorrow]

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redxavier wrote:

It's peculiar to be complaining about providers who cater to the lowest common denominator and then recommend a provider that gets drunk and cooks...

Have you ever watched My Drunk Kitchen?

Just out of curiosity you understand.

And between the two I'm kinda surprised you went for MDK, when Regular Ordinary Swedish Mealtime is just sitting there in all it's screaming, food throwing, unintelligible glory. Just saying, you know.

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Earlier today we got into a discussion in the chat about youtube/online based content creators (Specifically we were talking about FreddieW and CorridorDigital) and how it seems a lot of them play to the lowest common denominator in their content; video games, cartoons, and explosions seems to be the common mix. And while I think that is true for those specific cases, I also think there's a lot of people out there that see youtube as a place for unintelligent mindlessness, cat videos and explosions etc. and nothing more.

And personally that pisses me the hell off, because I know it's not true, there are hundreds upon hundreds of channels producing high quality intelligent content on a regular basis. Most of them I can guarantee you I've never heard of, not because they're not good but because as the Hitchhiker's Guide would say.

"Youtube," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is."

All this to say, I think it would be a good idea to start a compilation thread. Channels producing intelligent, high quality content. (Note: intelligent does HAVE to mean: educational, or uses a lot of big words, or only talks about math, although it can. When I say intelligent, I mean, treats it's audience with respect, produces content that is entertaining and engaging, but assumes you are an intelligent individual and treats you as such.)

So as is the custom with these threads, I'll get us started.

Educational:

SciShow - A science news and educational channel
SciShow Space - Spin off of Sci-Show focusing solely on Space news and education
Crash Course - An educational series started and hosted by John and Hank Green comprising "classes" focusing on various subjects. So far they have done World History, Biology, Ecology, Literature, Us history, Psychology, and Literaure 2.
Numberphile This is a new one to me, but as far I can tell they focus on math based videos explaining various math problems and concepts.
Vihart Vihart produces a lot of great videos based on various math problems and random things related to same, filtered through the mind of someone very very bored in class and presented in amusing ways.
The Brain Scoop The rain Scoop, hosted by Emily Graslie, began as a project to document and teach people about Taxidermy and specimen preparation for museums, has blossomed into Emily becoming the Chief Curiosity Correspondant of the Field Museum in Chicago, and now produces videos showing off the collection and behind the scenes at the Field Museum

Vlogs/Music:

Vlog Brothers Of course this goes here. John and Hank Green began a project in 2007 to forbid themselves from textual commuincation with each, and only communicate in person or through videos. This led to them vlogging every day in 2007, and they've continued making intelligent, thought provoking and entertaining Vlogs ever since (Although not every day, Hank's kinda busy running his whole web media empire these days, and John has that whole writing thing)
Gunnarolla One of the few vlog channels I still actively follow. Gunnarolla produces very high quality vlogs, travelouges, music and music videos.
Andrew Huang Andrew produces very high quality music in a wide range of genres, often taking on user submitted challenges which leads to things like, a rap that only uses one vowel, a rap that doesn't use the letter E, eighties dubstep, dubste;p classical music and so on.
Good Mythical Morning GMM is a morning type show hosted by Rhett and Link, 2 youtube celebs in thier own right, where they talk about random things for 10 minutes every morning monday to friday.
Rhett and Link Rhett and Links personal, non GMM based, videos and projects.
What I'm Doing Right Now This is a weird one, and definitely a niche one. Michael Aranda (editor on scishow and crashcourse, and vlogger/content creator in his own right) began a project to simply document random moments in his life and post them for the world. It has since grown into a continueing vlog about the daly on going's of his life.
Michael Aranda Michaels main channel where all of his "real" videos go.
Wheezy Waiter An almost daily vlog where Craig Benzine talks about things that interest him and we learn the fates of his many and varied clones.
Ze Frank If anyone deserves to be considered one of the old gaurd of youtube creators it's Ze, he doesn't put out as much content as he used to, but everything he makes is gold
Jack Conte
Nataly Dawn
PomplamooseJack and Nataly (/\ Thier individual channels) form Pomplamoose, they produce a lot of great covers, original songs and music videos.

Food...ish:

SwedishMealTime What I'm %99 sure started as a parody of EpicMealTime has just entered their second season of Ordinary Swedish Meal preparation.
Hannah Hart Hannah rose to fame with her show My Drunk Kitchen, where she gets drunk and makes food and remains charming and hilarious the entire time, and has started to expand into other vloggity type areas.


Films:

Convos With My 2 Year Old A project started by a dad who loves the things his daughter says and does, but thought they would be even funnier said and done by a fully grown man. Thus Convos With My 2 Year old was born.
Simon's Cat The on going animated adventures of Simon and his cat.

That's all the time and attention span to I have to compile at the moment, there's a lot of music channels I didn't post, and I'm sure there are TONS that I don't even know about that someone out there could tell me about. So let's hear it! What do you have to share?

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Not gonna lie...most adorable thing I have ever seen.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/50cc1f4f731dca8cb66fdb9fd42bc57d/tumblr_n5hkhcVd5Y1qhyjmvo1_1280.png

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Phi wrote:

I cry at the end. Every damn time.

One of the few movies that can legitimately impact me on that level.

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You should still have my stuff I think.

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Invid wrote:
BigDamnArtist wrote:

Well I suppose that's the difference between you and me. Typically I would frown on my characters framing a 6 year old girl as a demon. I suppose you would also have her then lead the town in the joyous burning at the stake of the 6 year old demon?

Hey, I grew up loving The Omen, that wonderful story about the 5 year old Anti-Christ. Spare the sacrificial knives, spoil the child...

Well if she actually IS a demon, then by all means torches and pitchforks for everyone.

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Invid wrote:
BigDamnArtist wrote:

Model toy.

Basically the lead character makes the little model butterfly appear and gives it to a little girl, so it plays off like okay, she probably could have just done some sleight of hand to make it appear and given it to the little girl to make her smile. But then she sprinkles some magic dust over the model and it bursts to life (as a real butterfly) and takes off (That'll be digital). And everyone rejoices!

I'd have the lead character jump back and shout, "What the fuck is that?! She's a demon! Kill her!"

Well I suppose that's the difference between you and me. Typically I would frown on my characters framing a 6 year old girl as a demon. I suppose you would also have her then lead the town in the joyous burning at the stake of the 6 year old demon?

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Model toy.

Basically the lead character makes the little model butterfly appear and gives it to a little girl, so it plays off like okay, she probably could have just done some sleight of hand to make it appear and given it to the little girl to make her smile. But then she sprinkles some magic dust over the model and it bursts to life (as a real butterfly) and takes off (That'll be digital). And everyone rejoices!

I'm not sure exactly what the model will look like yet, but I really like the idea of it being sort of a twisted wire and stained glass sort of thing. (Quick google search... probably something akin to this, but with some sort of colouring, stained glass or coloured plastic for the wings:
https://img0.etsystatic.com/011/0/7609591/il_340x270.435555636_dw1r.jpg

Either way, like a really nice home craft project, something the character made herself.)

If this is ringing any bells, I think you actually read this one once upon a time.

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Teague wrote:

Whether or not this effect works in-camera will come down to your actor practicing it quite a bit, not anything you can do. You're good with that?

I was planning on it.

And worse case scenario we'll shoot an effects version and I'll have an extra day or 2 of post work.

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Hey all! So I need some help. For the short film I'm planning to shoot next month I want to do a small little sleight of hand trick to shoot this one bit of magic in camera.

Basically the gag is, the lead character is pointing out a little floating inviible something in mid air, reaches out and snatches a small (~2 inch tall) model of a butterfly from thin air in her fingertips.

I've done some research, and I know I've seen guys do gags like this with coins, but I'm not sure how to go about it with something larger. It does only have to work for this one shot, so we can fake it as much as it needs to, to get it to work, but I'd like to do it practically. And I don't mind building something to make it work, I'm pretty much figuring on it.

I was thinking some of clear base that could be gripped between the fingers, holding the model behind the hand, and then could be thrown forward and grabbed in the finger tips for the reveal. No clue if that would work. I know we've got a couple magic people around here, so I thought I'd throw it out to all of you fine people to see if anyone has any ideas smile

Thanks y'all!

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Wrong link Eddie.

But yes, I watched the trailer last night. Looks intense. I've never read the comic, enjoy the Keanu movie, but this looks like an entirely different thing. Looking forward to it.

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Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs is definitely a solid candidate.