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Nice review. I'm a little biased for this movie... because well..it's the first real movie I ever worked on...so there's that (I haven't seen it yet, obviously). But I'm curious, why zero mention of the novel it's based on?

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This is a question wrongly put I think. Bob never needs to hide what makes him special, he just needs to finally come to terms with the fact that the guy he used to be can't live in this world anymore. And his refusal of that belief is what causes all his problems.

You just answered you're own question.

By the end of the movie Bob has come to terms with what it means to be a superhero living in the modern world, he's learned to live in the present (They as a family had to redefine it for the world a little bit along the way*, but that's just a factor of them finally coming together as a family). He's perfectly okay being the regular old dad at a race cheering from the bleachers with his family.

*The world changed when they saved it from Syndrome, the world no longer looks down on them with as much disdain as they used to. So he doesn't NEED to hide completely anymore. He can be the dad guy with his family in public and also the superhero when he needs to be. The difference is that he's being the superhero guy WITH his family, not trying to recreate the lone ranger glory days of yore.

This triggered something I hadn't really thought about yet. You guys keep talking about the fact that just doing what the originals did and replicating that sense of fun and adventure is the obvious path, that is all it needs to be. But that treads a dangerously thin line. If you are trying to replicate that sense of whatever it was that made the originals so great, you are half a micron away from screwing it up entirely because the entire movie is going to be judged against the originals on every frame. It has to be nailed perfectly, but if you just go all out, set it 300 years after yavin, make it about bounty hunters and we never even see a a jedi, just do something crazy, then you are setting your own rules. You might lose a few people who think Star Wars is only about the Jedis, but you gain all the people who think it's just a great movie on it's own and just like being in THAT universe.

Is that really such a wild idea? I don't think so.

I'll be the first to admit that I have a lot of disdain for modern movies and modern movie culture in general atm, so that might be tainting my view to the more extremist point of view, but I did sincerely mean what I said in my rant about wanting to enjoy movies again...anyways.

I do agree that the version of Star Trek we got, was among the better versions we could have gotten. And I actually really liked Star Trek when I first saw, honestly I still kinda do. But it was also my first exposure to JJ, but after going through and watching more of his stuff, he really kinda feels like a solidly based director that has a few very select skills on his belt that he relies on and uses effectively, but he doesn't really step outside of those few select tools so his stuff ends up having a very singular and similar ring to them.

Maybe more news will help, but as it stands I can't help but see this as the studios taking the safest route they can find, and if they are already playing it safe this early on, it doesn't really inspire me to great heights about the final product we're going to get.

Speaking personally. I don't hate the guy, far from it. I'm just sick of turning every goddamn corner and finding JJ there. I can't get away from him. And as already been stated several times in this thread, you know EXACTLY what you're going to get with JJ, and what he gives isn't anything I particularly enjoy . Star Trek was fine enough, but I haven't actually liked anything JJ's done. It all feels bland and if you asked me to pick a particular project out of a line up I probably couldn't. Like we've said, you know exactly what you're going to get with JJ, so why should I bother watching anything he's going to make from here on out? And it absolutely baffles me how he can be all of that, and still have tent pole after tent pole just thrown at him like he's some sort of film making demi-god.

Personally I think there are dozens of directors out there that are infinitely better suited to direct a Star Wars movie (Or any of the movies JJ's been given lately), who make me beyond EXCITED, who would make me amped and pumped up to see the new Star Wars. But instead we get..."Well...he's probably not gonna fuck it up, and I'm sure it'll look pretty...just like everything else he's ever made."

So I don't hate the guy, I just can't understand why everyone else keeps treating him like he's the second coming.

And just to double check...you're citing this as a...positive thing?

Am I the only one who's just kinda over JJ? I'm just kinda sick of him.

Daaaayum guys. Nicely done. Holy shit! 1:39 is when I lost it entirely, Paul, I would love to hear you do some more stuff in that range. The octave above thing just throws me off every time. *shrug* Just does.

Heh. It retracts a line of pistons at the top of the wheat fields, sending down a stream of water that harvests the wheat and seeds and sends them down to the troughs at the front to be picked up.

For those who haven't seen it yet.