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go watch "Megamind".  You'll see why evil shouldn't win.

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It's just once it wins,we consider it "good".

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I wouldn't agree that you can only have Iron Man vs big suit or Iron Man vs many suits. There's a story in the comics where Iron Man causes a plane to crash and finds himself at odds with the US government (and military). With this kind of story, you have a powerful adversary that Iron Man can't just punch or blow up since he'd be hurting fellow patriots, as well as an adversary that undercuts Tony Stark since his company and resources are under attack.

The second movie sort of sets this up in the sense that the government are starting to lose patience with Stark (that senator in particular). I really hope the third movie goes this route.

This would also be an opportunity to further establish SHIELD - their tech, their structure etc.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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We discuss Shane Black quite a bit in the upcoming Iron Man 2 commentary.  We will discuss Nolan quite a bit when we go screaming through the Batman filmography, though I will say its not enough to just say "Nolan's batman is badly written," you have to be a bit more specific if you make that claim.  The notion you propose that comic books and superheroes is inherently unrealistic is a bit of a straw man, bordering on ad hominem.  Is Maus, the only comic to ever win a Pulitzer, unrealistic because it anthropomorphizes mice in lieu of holocaust survivors?  Technically yes,  but I would submit that it gets at a deeper truth.  This is to say nothing of comics like Pedro and Me, Don't Go Where I Can't Follow, Daytripper, Pride of Baghdad, and Strangers in Paradise which portray relationships in as real of a way as any other medium.  If you don't cotton up to capes and cowls too much, I understand, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

...and by the way, as a new father, can I just say what an awful expression that is?

Eddie Doty

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Makes sen, if they are going in the direction I think they're going.  If you're familiar with Bane, you get what I'm saying.

Eddie Doty

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Agreed. Here's the thing: both the Bruce Timm animated Batman and the Nolan live action Batman take advantage of their mediums. It would be foolish for Nolan to copy what Timm and company has managed to do, and visa versa. Now, personally, I love the animated Batman and have only seen one and a half of the Nolan films (fast forwarded through most of Begins). But, I have no problem with his version. Hell, their success probably helps keep the new animated movies coming.

(they're doing an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns next, which with luck will be better then the Year One adaptation)

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Yeah, Dorkman, as he is wont to do, beat me to it and leglocked the correct.  My reaction at reading those changes nothing to my criticism:  that does not properly articulate specific problems as much as it expresses preference over the interpretation.  I'm very familiar with the Batman lore, and have seen every interpretation of it on screen.  I don't see how you can look at the Nolan films and not see that the SPIRIT of the Batman character, as as been distilled through 80 some odd years of publication, has translated better than any other attempt.  Is it perfect?  No, and nor can it be.  But the films are enjoyable and crafted with a lot of thought and care.

Eddie Doty

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48 (edited by Dave 2011-12-01 18:33:52)

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JON FAVREAU, SEE WHAT YOU HAVE WROUGHT?!

Let's agree to disagree; the presentation differences in Batman skew towards personal taste.

<edit> Or let's save it until the appropriate DiF live chat </edit>

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