Can anyone looking at the guys-posing-as-girls poster get the mental image of the Hulk as the goatse guy out of their head?

Neither can I. Not happy.

RUINED FOREVER.

Glad I don't know who that is, which is why I said 'Ace Ventura' earlier.

Aaaaaah, ignorance is bliss....

(looks up Goatse)....HOLY FUCK, MY EYES!!!! KILL IT, KIIIIIILLLLL IIIIIIIT!!!!!

I'm seeing a lot of pecs and arms, which is what I'm seeing in the Avengers promo. Am I wrong?

Sure, the various Avengers aren't shirtless (besides Hulk, and I wouldn't even really count him in this discussion, though I guess some people are probably into that), but neither is Johansson for that matter, and it's not a detail in the marketer's control anyhow.

You're right, seeing them side by side, I have to take it back: even the men on the covers of romance novels aren't as sexualized and objectified as the average comic book female.

You're right, there isn't one. The men are dominant and powerful and the women are comparatively weak sexual objects there almost solely as eye candy.

This is not the definition of a sexist portrayal, how?

How awful it must be for us men to be broadly generalized in the culture as strong and powerful. That is exactly the same as women being broadly generalized as sexual objects for the gratification of aforementioned strong and powerful men.

Come on.

EDIT: It's worth noting, by the way, that this "Avengers poses" thing is not taking place in a vacuum. The sexist portrayal of women in the way they're forced to pose and dress was an issue raised in the larger culture before this poster came out, including articles all about explaining the difference we're discussing now.

Last edited by Dorkman (2012-05-13 06:36:27)

Bad quote.    I texted Teague before the movie started, not during.

It demonstrably doesn't. Belief doesn't enter into it. But I know it's easier to dismiss than address.

Random note that I might have brought up but don't remember because I was drunk and am too embarrassed to listen to it: the place I worked on the 3D conversion, one of my coworkers looked almost exactly like Loki. He got most of the Loki shots in our sequences.

Over time the idea of what is sexual shifts, and parts of society are moving towards equality faster than others.

The idea that a woman's sexuality is tied to her vulnerability is deeply entrenched, and has been re-enforced for thousands of years. There's no overnight fix to that, no magic button to push that's going to make fathers and mothers raise their children differently. This is a change that will take generations, and as the people who are shaping our culture and identity, the people who create the media need to take responsibility for beginning the process.

What a charmed life you must lead. Never having anyone hold you up to a gold standard the media shoves down our throats, that no living man can even hope to match. And of course we all know that it's impossible for something like that to drive a man to have low esteem, or even gods forbid an eating disorder. Because they're stereotyped as being strong and in control, so it's impossible for a man to be weak, right? That's how this works, right? Just like all women are sexual objects only here to stared at and used?

You can sit there and be snarky and dismissive all you want, but that doesn't change the fact unrealistic portrayals of either sex in the media, cut both ways. (And yes, by the guys of the Avengers being these unattainable perfections of what man should be, they are being sexualized. And same goes for Black Widow...except about women...yeah. It's that simple.)

And back to point. In the Avengers image, Black Widow has her particular assets on display because that's what the media believes all men want women to be. And the guys are shown as dominating and powerful because that's what they believe all women want men to be like (And every girl I've talked to about the movie has not proved that wrong yet.)

Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2012-05-13 14:17:13)

This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who sexualized who.

We're all adults. Let's sexualize everyone!