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A timid entry, suitable for nursing mothers and patients recovering from surgery.

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That Morin, he thinks he's the pope of chili town.

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4 (edited by Eddie 2013-02-11 12:06:13)

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Great so far, guys.  I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here since this is one I would have loved to be in on. 

My father had a regular column in the China Lantern, a small English language newsletter for American servicemen stationed in Taiwan.  Most of the movies he reviewed had been out for some time when they hit one of the four theaters that showed US movies in the region.  So my father's columns were less about reviewing new films, but more about advocating for movies that were worth someone's time, even if they had already seen it before.  He would advise his readers on what to look out for on repeat viewings and for those who had passed on a particular film before, why they should check it out now.  Later in his life and into my own, this was often the purpose of our film watching experience.  I mention all of this because this has greatly shaped my view of criticism, and specifically what we do at DiF, and what I consider before everytime I'm invited to participate. 

Film criticism certainly has a place.  Pauline Kael was very helpful to me when I was first interested in film.  But, as Steven Soderbergh is fond of saying, at the end of the day, film criticism is Air Guitar.  Saying that, the film critics I tend to respond to the most are not film critics by nature, as they are film curators, or even film advocates.

Ultimately, time is our most valuable resource.  The number of hours of all films ever made will eclipse your time on this planet, so choose wisely, I say.  What my father, what Drew McWeeny at HitFix, AO Scott for the Chicago Tribune, FX Feeny for Village Voice, and now Kurt Loder for Reason do, is build a giant playlist from their body of work.  What they recommend feels less like a checklist of personal taste, and more like an episode of antiques roadshow, where the film is held up against the light of the current landscape.  I find this approach appealing to me as both a fan of film, and someone who makes my living in it (well, tv, but you get the idea).  McWeeny is a good example.  The shortest reviews he writes are the ones where there's nothing obliquely wrong about the film, but nothing special either.  If everything is merely compatant and sorta fun...there's not much else to be said.  His review for V/H/S however, is more indicative of what a curator does.  It acknowledges the films flaws while absolutely noting that as a merging of found footage and horror anthology with a low fi aesthetic, it is doing something unique and fresh.  YMMV, but there certainly weren't too many examples of movies like it before.  At the time of the review, it had just played Sundance and had no distributor, so he was clearly advocating for something new to be thrust upon us.

In some small way, that's what I feel like we do at DiF.  We're not reviewing new movies here.  We pluck from the depths to discuss.  We pull out the gem loops, we go over cracks, we marvel at the subtle beauty, and then we put it back on the shelf and come to OUR collective opinion for you to humbly consider.  Maybe you dismissed a film and are giving it a second chance.  Maybe you never heard of it.  Either way, we are hopefully enjoyable museum guides.

Eddie Doty

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"we go over cracks, we marvel at the subtle beauty"

I think we have the reviewer quote to go on the poster for this episode.

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Eddie is actually referencing bums, but it's still nicely phrased.

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This response is partly inspired by Eddie's post and by the tangent in the "Suggest a Movie" thread.

DiF works for me as a film criticism because it is not the usual "Air Guitar" critique like Eddie was talking *about. It works because it is relatable, sometimes delving into technical items or theory, other times talking but feelings and general impressions. In many ways, its like conversations that I have with my friends. I appreciate DiF's panelists technical knowledge and experience (especially Trey's) but that doesn't mean I need a lot of industry jargon to enjoy the commentary.

DiF really is wonderful as the "friends in the head" because they all are like friends in my real life. Teague reminds me a bit of one of my best friends, with music and film experience, Brian is like my brother with all the nerdiness, Dorkman-well, I'll figure him out; Trey is like the old guys I meet a cons because of my uncle-cranky, opinionated and sarcastic.

They may not be experts in their fields, but I certainly can see having similar conversations at <insert preferred eating location> having a <insert preferred beverage> and talking about a movie.

So bring on the criticism because it makes for fun dialogue smile

God loves you!

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Fireproof: You made me feel good on my insides.

Doc:



...yep. Agree on all points.

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God loves you!

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Part of the joy I get from listening is that even when I disagree with, say, Mike about, for the sake of argument, Pan's fucking Labyrinth, it feels like a disagreement with friends. Critique is only valuable when you respect the opinions of the people giving it, hence why I come back.

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Interesting to hear your collective thoughts on Season 1 of DiF. I'd argue that your early commentaries are the most fun and enjoyable. I think it was because back then the analysis and review were done on the fly and came about naturally as you were watching it. I suppose what I'm trying to say, and trying real hard not to be an asshole about it, is that I perhaps preferred it when you're friends in my head chatting about the movie, your reactions and what it meant to you, and not trying to be critics and script doctors (where you sometimes do assume an authority on the topic).

It seems that I'm one of the odd ones out on the forums, my favourite commentaries are the love-fests where the range of topics is also diverse - Apollo 13 for example (unbridled passion for the movie, discussion of the movie's context, knowledge of the film's subject/genre, a classic Trey Rant™).

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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Hi, where's the 'Empire is crap' review that the guys referenced?

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The Phantom Menace commentary is awesome big_smile

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I would never lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation.

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Oh great. So he's lurking here and knows I hate him? Now he'll show up at my house or something. He's not a well man.

EVERYONE TELL HIM I'M BRIAN.

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Very cool of him. I don't know if we were particularly fair to him in the conversation (I mean, I have strong opinions about what I've seen, but I have seen damn near nothing, so my sample isn't exactly wide) and it's super cool that he was able to enjoy the episode anyway. I'm glad he liked the conversation, too.

We cool, Confused Matthew. We cool.  cool

Of course, now I'm worried about what Armond White is gonna do to us.

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Be afraid,  Teague, be very afraid......

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Hell, we were kinder to Armond White than to Matthew.   But then maybe White has a thinner skin.

/goes to the bunker and waits

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Damn. For a dude making videos on the internet, I gotta give him props for how well he took criticism of him. My respect for him increased quite a bit.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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My question is, what's his user name? *peers around*

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I'm fairly sure he doesn't have a forum account at the moment.

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