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"The Name of the Doctor" was a smidgen reminiscent of the Bad Wolf arc, but on the whole terrific.

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I'm no fan of classic Who, but those were some thrilling flashbacks. "Don't take that one. Take this one." LOL!

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The last shot of the series made me cheer then groan.

My problem with this episode, and the idea that there was a story arc this season (There was none) is the distinct lack of story structure.

saying "Who is the impossible girl" every episode and having Clara jump into a Trapcode plug-in does not work compared to say, the series 3 arc. We've got the obligatory "lets repeat a phrase" in "Mr Saxon" The Face of Boe's message and then Professor YANA repeating The Doctor's pocket watch trick.

You can follow what's happening from the information you've been given rather then being shown things that dont make sense followed by a character turning into a leaf!

Look at Fight Club, the story makes sense the first time you watch it but when you go back looking for the twist it still works. Moffats writing lately feels like an M. Night Shyamalan film that acts really smug about having a twist.

don't get me wrong I liked the fan wank this week but it felt hollow.

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I am way behind. I have yet to see any of the last year's worth of Doctor Who. I did, however, finally get around to watching The Hobbit, and was happily surprised to see the last REAL Doctor has a role in it. No Ace, though.

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I actually like the more 'sparse' series arc. I think I'd enjoy something more elaborate for next time, but this was nice enough after all the Cracks in Time and Silence business. The great thing is that every season with the Eleventh Doctor connects in some way, so all of it has some sort of über-arc: the cracks in time lead to the Silence, the Silence led to the background arc early this season (which was set up at the end of the last one) of the Doctor deleting his trace on the universe, and the mid-season arc of how he ends up on Trenzelore, which has a lot to do with the cracks in time, the Silence and his identity. I think it all connects pretty well.

About the series finale episode itself, as an episode it was really good. As a season finale, meh, but as I said, you can't really pull anything more complex out of your ass if you really haven't established a complex arc for the series. It was more about the Doctor himself; yes, there was the mystery of Clara, but that was in the background.

The really great thing for me was the last two minutes of the episode, really. They could've happened in any other context. They could've ended up there in many more interesting ways. But once the episode is done, I'm not thinking about the underwhelming villain or really short 2nd act (there's very little action in this episode, which is very weird for a Doctor Who finale.) All I'm left thinking is... "OH MY FUCKING GOD. John Hurt... as a previously unrevealed incarnation of The Doctor!"

I think that was pretty interesting. He's there for just seconds, but the short dialogue exchange reveals a lot about the situation. First, he isn't really the Doctor, because he did something so horrible that he doesn't live up to the name. Matt Smith's Eleventh Doctor recognizes this incarnation, so it has to be in his past. We know that the "First Doctor" hadn't still regenerated, and we have seen every regeneration but one. So there's only one single possibility: John Hurt's incarnation is a previously unknown incarnation just after McGann's Eight Doctor, but before Eccleston's Ninth Doctor.

The few lines they exchange hints at this too. The 2005 reboot started with Eccleston's Doctor just after an unseen Time War between the Time Lords and the Daleks; we don't know much, but we know that to end the war the Doctor had to kill both the Daleks and the Time Lords. He committed two genocides. So, I'd bet that these atrocities were committed by John Hurt's incarnation, breaking the promise that the "Doctor" moniker entailed. He's the real Ninth Incarnation, but not the Ninth Doctor, because he didn't live up to the name. When John Hurt's Doctor defends himself by saying that he did "what he did" in the name of "sanity and peace", Smith's Eleventh Doctor sums it up perfectly: "You didn't do it in the name of the Doctor." That "it", I'd bet, is the destruction of two species to end a war.

And, about the "Name of the Doctor" twist, I think it's great. If it was a common or invented name, what of it? It's just sounds. It could be "John." Or "Galafeiskkor" or something even more random. It was obviously going to be something else, something symbolic and meaningful. But it'd be cheesy if it was something generic, so it was what it had to be: "The Doctor" may not be a real name, but it is the only thing that matters. As Smith's Doctor says, he does what he does "in the name of the Doctor" —and not only is that the real meaning of the episode title, it also is the only significant meaning his name could ever had: his chosen name is what matters, because it symbolizes the promise he made to help people.

In that sense, it was a wonderful end —it might not have wrapped up a previously set up complex mythology like many past series, but it did wrap up the Doctor's emotional journey through the season, and it sets up the future just perfectly —it is, indeed, a great opening to the 50th Anniversary Special episode. It's not much of a spoiler, as BBC told it to whoever would listen, but —SPOILER— Tennant's Tenth Doctor is coming back for November's 50th Anniversary Special. Tenant's and Smith's Doctor teaming up against (or with?) John Hurt's Doctor is going to be spectacular.

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I loved everything in this post, Luka.

Your interpretation completely makes sense. And it makes me very, very excited for the 50th anniversary. Although I still haven't seen the old era, I've always wanted to know more about the Time War. Ninth was brilliantly written and performed, and made me ask myself what hell the Doctor was just getting out of. We got some answers in series 3 and 4, but not all of them.

And, holy hell. John Hurt.

As for the episode, I loved it. I agree it wasn't the most spectacular season ending, but everything was done properly. Even River Song was great in this, despite the fact that I didn't care much for her arc in series 6. She only came back as the Doctor's wife, bringing back her death in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead in a very appropriate way.

Clara's arc and its unfolding is a bit underwhelming, but I think, as Luka said, it was more of a setup to introduce what's coming next. She remains a great companion to the Doctor, and I look forward to seeing more of her in series 8 (although I have no idea how this will turn out).

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Luca: we pretty much agree on every aspect with you.
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But also, it's kind of obvious that the only reason Hurt's in there as the 9th incarnation, is because Eccleston didn't want to come back. Things were rewritten, and we now have an incarnation that is the Doctor in mind, but not in namesake.

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Saniss, in Doctor Who continuity the Time War occurs between the 1996 TV film with the 8th Doctor and the 2005 revived series with the 9th Doctor, so we didn't see it in-screen. Watching Old Who won't get you that, I'm afraid.

And oh shit. I said nothing about River Song. She's gone! Some people believe that she will come back; there's time travel, after all. But there are also people penning all of this; narratively, It wouldn't make any sense. The whole point of that subplot in the episode was that the Doctor never got back to her after her mind was saved in the Library. Now they've said goodbye, so not only is the episode subplot wrapped up, but also their whole relationship. I actually love the character, and I find the idea of a relationship in reverse quite tragic; when you know and love him/her the most, he/she knows you the least. We've seen it in order from the Doctor's perspective, but it's even sadder from hers. Watch this video and cry.

About Clara, I'm happy too she'll simply be a companion from now on, instead of a walking plot point. Don't get me wrong, I like her very much (as does the Doctor, I'm sure... he he), but wrapping up the "Impossible Girl" subplot may give her more room to develop as a character next season.

Tomahawk, I imagine that's the case. However, I much prefer Hurt to Eccleston, and the surprise of a new Doctor in-between is certainly welcome as a great, shocking finale for the series. So, if Hurt is really there because Eccleston didn't want to come back, I'm actually happy that happened.

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Luka Nieto wrote:

Saniss, in Doctor Who continuity the Time War occurs between the 1996 TV film with the 8th Doctor and the 2005 revived series with the 9th Doctor, so we didn't see it in-screen. Watching Old Who won't get you that, I'm afraid.

Yes of course, I know that. I only meant that if you also knew what happened before the Time War, you might be more eager to know more about that whole gap between the two series.

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Oh yeah. Ok, that's true wink

Anyway. What do you people think about each Doctor? I'm pretty sure the 11th is my favourite in most cases, although Tennant's intensity is unmatched.

BTW, I made a Youtube video with the Eleventh Doctor a while ago. It's just clips of him being badass, really. "The Eleventh Doctor is a Badass." It has a lot of views so you'll find it easily. I hope you like it. It's outdated as hell, unfortunately, but when I uploaded my updated version BBC America automatically shut it down. You can download the updated version from the description, so there. Maybe I'll upload it to some other place...

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Project for Teague

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Not a lot of good "big balloon project" photos come across my desk. (Sturgeon's Law. All "big balloon project" photos come across my desk, for the same reason this one did. tongue Got a lot of folks on the internet sending me the balloon photos they come across. Most aren't great.)

But, anyway. This is one of them. The 5" rounds on the joins are a sloppy choice, but ya gotta cover your joins somehow. (I tend to go with small apple twists with regular 260s.) That said, this is a technically impressive balloon that I would be proud to show people. A lot of work that looks simple but is subtly impossible to pull off. For instance, the lines are amazing, and the sheer consistency of the vertical weave over that long a spread is really impressive. This took a helluva lot of focus to complete, and wasn't an easy gig; way harder than most of the "big balloon projects" you see. Props heretoforth delivered. Totally dropped the ball on the Sharpie work, after so much time spent on the balloon, but at least it wasn't an all-out Sharpie cheat like you see so much of-

-oh, did we get too esoteric? It occurs to me that most people on this forum don't know that I was a high-octane professional balloon twister for a long time. Open the book of my life to the middle and all that.

Anyway, good one. Get the fuck out of here with the t-rex balloon picture you're thinking of posting.  cool

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Honestly, I'm guessing they are cheating with some form of frame / box below that. No way you'd make it that straight and nice out of *just* balloons. Or?

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I'm still not sold on JLC, but I will say Clara's backstory is about a million times better than what Moffat gave us for River Song. I don't think the mystery was handled well during this series, but the payoff in the finale really worked for me.

I'm glad we got to bid farewell to the River Song of the Library, who was lovely and interesting, rather than the somewhat annoying character she turned into in series 5 and 6.


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I just asked my friend (a magician and amateur balloon thing maker guy) if he will make me that balloon Tardis. I anxiously wait for his reply.....

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It's official, Matt Smith is leaving Doctor Who.

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I saw it coming, but I would have liked another series at least. Then again, leave 'em wanting morew!

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Aw boo. sad I really got into Doctor Who when I watched his first episode. He'll be missed.

Okay, so speculation time. Who's going to be the twelfth? I wish wow I knew British cinema and television better. I've mentioned Chiwetel Ejiofor before. I get the feeling that he's got a good sense of humor, and we know he has an intensity about him.

Or what about a female doctor? It might be a stretch to explain from a narrative perspective (so Time Lords can switch genders?) but it would be uncharted territory and could make for some fascinating material.

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Highly unlikely, but I'd love it if it was Hugh Laurie.

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...Can it be John Hurt plz?

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You're most likely looking at some minor actor, who maybe is known as that guy on that show. The third doctor did funny voices in comedies (and "covered" Danny Kay songs that sounded just like Kay but deprived him of sales), Doctor 4 was a madman in two movies (He played Rasputin, and was in one of the Sinbad movies), 5 was in All Creatures Great and Small.

They won't make him female, but, please, let the show bring in Susan. The Rani would be nice, too...

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I'd love to see a male companion. Rory was great, but his motivation to stay on the TARDIS was more for Amy than for the Doctor. I'd love to see the Doctor and his best bro go on some adventures.

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I do like that the show has moved from the single female companion. It should, now, move from the human companions from modern England. Give us another Jamie. Adric. Leela. Zoe.

It may be time for the Tardis to stop working right again. Have it go random places, so he's stuck having to deal with things instead of being able to zip about.

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You're most likely looking at some minor actor, who maybe is known as that guy on that show. The third doctor did funny voices in comedies (and "covered" Danny Kay songs that sounded just like Kay but deprived him of sales), Doctor 4 was a madman in two movies (He played Rasputin, and was in one of the Sinbad movies), 5 was in All Creatures Great and Small.

Ecclestone was a known name in the UK but they just used him to get the show back. Tennant had done a lot but was basically just 'that guy', he was a supporting character in most things. I do think they'll do a Matt Smith again and cast someone who has done very little.

Oh, and Tennant, of course was famous for this-

Any excuse to show that big_smile

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Prediction: John Hurt will be revealed to be the Eighth Doctor, having lived long after the events of the 1996 TV movie and ending the Time War while operating under another name.

Prediction: River Song will return with a baby. The father will be revealed to be an electronic glitch in the Library's matrix.

Prediction: Sean Biggerstaff (Harry Potter's Oliver Wood), who appeared in the Doctor Who: Shada Big Finish stuff with Paul McGann, will be cast as the twelfth Doctor.

Prediction: The twelfth Doctor's companion will be a teenage 16th century German duchess who is a lesbian.

Prediction: Daleks will take over and modify cyberman bodies or vice versa and result will be called cyberdaleks.

Prediction: Christopher Ecclestone will return for the 50th anniversary.

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

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Prediction: Sean Biggerstaff (Harry Potter's Oliver Wood)

Oh come on, you're making that name up.

*goes to IMDb*

...oh.

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