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Trek was never good at selling toys 
Actually, now that I think about it, given how merchandized Star Wars already is, if anything that aspect can be discounted. The toys WILL sell, regardless, at least to start. Given that, they'll actually have remarkable freedom.
Aronofsky will most definitely not be involved.
I suspect the only reason he was signing on to Wolverine was because he wanted to do Noah but couldn't get the budget for it since his movies were mostly flops. He was going to bite the bullet and do a safe studio job, except Black Swan turned out to be a completely unexpected huge hit, and he didn't need the Wolverine gig anymore.
with only 2nd hand info, I think you have that one backwards.
Aronofsky was offered Wolverine because of Black Swan, not the other way round. My understanding was that with the success of Black Swan financially, whether unexpected or not, he had the juice with Fox to be offered Wolverine, an arguably big property.
When he then had "wishy washy issues with being away from his family to film in Japan" (quoted due to not being 100% sure of validity, he was able to take his french comic treatment and say essentially "well you wanted me on a big project, I'm now passing on your thing, what about my thing?"
Carrie Fisher to reprise her role... 
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts … 2110147331
Carrie Fisher to reprise her role...
Wow, it seemed like there was some real bitterness in that article.
I think Vaughn is a good possibility having just dropped out of First Class 2...
As for questions of new episodes about this, this weekend there will not be "more on this as it develops," this weekend Cabin comes out. We won't even be recording. (Which was one of the main reasons we knocked out an insta-DIF two days ago; otherwise, we'd have to have waited two weeks!)
Trek was never good at selling toys
Actually, now that I think about it, given how merchandized Star Wars already is, if anything that aspect can be discounted. The toys WILL sell, regardless, at least to start. Given that, they'll actually have remarkable freedom.
Indeed - I was referring the distinctly uneven trajectory of ST quality, not their skill at merchandizing. My concern is that 4bn is a lot to pay. Certainly Lucas invented the modern science of merchandizing, and the later Star Wars properties are, at least in part, driven by the need to generate toys that can be sold. Expect more Ewoks, is my point.
Trek was never good at selling toys
Apparently they tried to change that by making the Enterprise (2009) look much more toy-ish than ever before (those giant, unbalanced nacelles etc.).
Expect more Ewoks, is my point.
That much is certain.
Didn't we have a "Goofy as Jar Jar Binks" action figure already? I remember it from "The People vs George Lucas".
Last edited by MartyJ (2012-11-01 23:40:38)
avatar wrote:Carrie Fisher to reprise her role...
Wow, it seemed like there was some real bitterness in that article.
The Daily Mash is a satire site like The Onion. Just so we're all clear.
EDIT: Also, not mentioned in this thread yet, George is going to be donating the majority (or possibly all -- conflicting reports) of the $4bil to charity and education. So I guess we're not allowed to be mad about the prequels anymore.
Last edited by Dorkman (2012-11-02 01:24:23)
It's hard to believe Disney (c'mon Disney of all studios) is going to restore credibility and de-infantilize the franchise. We'll see.
EDIT: Also, not mentioned in this thread yet, George is going to be donating the majority (or possibly all -- conflicting reports) of the $4bil to charity and education. So I guess we're not allowed to be mad about the prequels anymore.
While I like the idea of community service as an alternative to prison time for non-violent offenders, this smacks of buying off the justice system. He should be sentenced formally, then a judge can decide whether donating 4bn to education is a suitable alternative to jail time.
+2
EDIT: Also, not mentioned in this thread yet, George is going to be donating the majority (or possibly all -- conflicting reports) of the $4bil to charity and education. So I guess we're not allowed to be mad about the prequels anymore.
Owen linked to it on the previous page but nobody seemed to notice
I was going to mention it earlier but noticed I was beaten to it. Not meaning this as anything against you Dorkman, just giving Owen some credit
You forgot 'Option 3' - the Star Trek option - let the thing flail wildly, with only commercial interest at the helm, and no one with any real commitment to the franchise except as a banner to get people into theaters and sell toys.
I'd say that option is actually covered by my 'Option 2'. They didn't spend $4 BILLION dollars to throw a nobody at the helm. Even if it's about nothing more than commercial interest, getting someone like Bird/Vaughn/Verbinski is still a solid choice for doing that, too.
And while doing an Epic Trilogy with Jackson at the helm would be less blindly-commercial by it's very nature...let's not pretend that LOtR hasn't been pretty successful in terms of money-grubbing as a franchise. It would be a bigger starting investment, to be sure, but could reap huge benefits, too.
I guess it's whether Disney (internally) wants to say "Here's another 'piece' to the Star Wars franchise", such as the cartoon and comics and novels are -- which would be option 2. Or if they want to say "Here's is the beginning of the 'new era' Star Wars franchise", which is where option 1 would come in.
As someone who hasn't bothered with anything Star Wars beyond the feature films, I'd personally prefer Star Wars:TNG. Basically refocus (not a "reboot", but a "refocus" because SW has simply outstretched so far beyond films at this point) the franchise with a fresh foundation, then build out by bringing all the other stuff into the fold, rather than just adding this as a new additional part. But hey, that's me -- though I do fit in the Demo they will be looking at to a certain extent. The young-ish nerdy type with disposal income...second only to children of people like me but 10 years older.
Hmm. Maybe. I'm not really aware of anything other than the three movies, and I guess in my mind the decision is whether to try to add another three to the real three, or more junk to the EU.
Hmm. Maybe. I'm not really aware of anything other than the three movies, and I guess in my mind the decision is whether to try to add another three to the real three, or more junk to the EU.
But it wouldn't be EU, as it would be canon, since Disney can declare it so. How the fans accept it, or don't, really won't affect the brass at the top anymore than it affected Lucas' overall approach to the prequels.
Now, and not to sound overly optimistic, there is the real possibility that someone, who is a fan, will step in with more respect to the OT.
Merchandising will never be the problem-never was for Star Wars, and never was for Disney, so obviously the combined two is a powerhouse.
I disagree that we can expect more Ewoks too. Look at the "Clone Wars" cartoon. Even if you don't watch it, the marketing has carried forward with the same impact as the movies, without delving in to the same child appeal as Ewoks.
The Daily Mash is a satire site like The Onion. Just so we're all clear.
I did realize that; it just seemed mean spirited even for a parody.
I dunno. I'm going to reserve judgement until actual failure or success happens, because this is so bizarre, there's no telling what's going to happen.
That being said, I just feel like doing direct sequels with older Luke, Han, etc. is going to end in tears, blood, and fire. Returning to characters later in their lives seems to disappoint much more frequently than it succeeds. The new ones should really be set 100-200 years down the road. What have the Jedi become after the reboot with just one master with no formal training to guide them? What have the long term effects of the overthrow of the Emperor been? Stuff like that.
I'm not saying another story with the Boys won't work. It's just, to coin a phrase, I have a bad feeling about this.
I'll put money down that it's the story of Luke's son/daughter, with only Luke present and playing a tangental mentor role. There'll be a certain synergy to the third trilogy if it's centered around the next Skywalker generation.
Of course, then Lucas will claim in interviews etc. that he had always intended for Eps 1-3 to be the story of Anakin, 4-6 to be the story of Luke, and 7-9 to be the story of Ben (that's the name of Luke's son in the EU, and I'd be surprised if they dumped it, because it's a nice name that pays tribute to ObiWan and was probably approved by GL way back when).
As suggested in the episode I've started work on a fan script 
Of course, then Lucas will claim in interviews etc. that he had always intended for Eps 1-3 to be the story of Anakin, 4-6 to be the story of Luke, and 7-9 to be the story of Ben (that's the name of Luke's son in the EU, and I'd be surprised if they dumped it, because it's a nice name that pays tribute to ObiWan and was probably approved by GL way back when).
Well, as I mentioned a few pages ago, there is that 1987 issue of Starlog where he says Luke gets a girlfriend in the next three episodes
Anyone else think Disney have already chosen Matthew Vaughn? He dropped out of the next X-Men film this week then very bloody soon after the Disney news broke, Singer was named as the new X-Men director......
Actually, nah, it's just a coincidence
aintitcoolnews are running some speculation that it could be Damon Lindelof and Brad Bird due to their being contracted to make a big budget sci-fi known as '1952'
I called bullshit on that as soon as I saw it, and it's since been debunked: http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/debunk … isode-vii/
Which is probably for the best, because I think the awfulness of Lindelof would more than outweigh the awesomeness of Brad Bird
Last edited by bullet3 (2012-11-03 02:11:09)
This whole thing does make me think though. Considering how they managed to keep it completely secret for almost a year, how fucking awesome would it have been if they went and made the entire movie in secret, then suddenly just put out a trailer and an announcement: "By the way, Star Wars 7 comes out next weekend".
How much would the internet lose their shit, it'd be glorious. In the age of knowing everything years in advance, I'm still holding out hope for a studio to do something crazy like that one day.
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