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I saw what Chris wrote, but I don't doubt the sincerity from James either.  I....sorta...got to work on something that James worked on and two things emerged to be true.  A deep respect for womanhood, and a filthy, filthy sense of humor.  James posted something pretty beautiful on National Coming Out Day that I'm looking for right now.

Eddie Doty

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I have a female friend who is friends with James personally. If it'd be to the benefit of the thread or anyone in it, I'd be happy to ask.

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I'm not sure how anyone who's read more of JG's stuff than that one post, or seen his films, could have taken that comic thing as anything other than a piss-take.

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Say what you will, though, such things make it easier to pick out the idiots and assholes. If they were afraid to say it, you'd never know.

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Yeah, I'm glad Tony Harris's attitudes came to light so I can stop interacting with him or his work. I was responding to the idea that JG's post was clearly a joke.

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Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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For the record, I am of the opinion that nothing should be taboo in terms of comedy.  Nothing.  That does not mean I'm never offended by something, I certainly am.  But as Stephen Fry likes to say....

"It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?"

So yes, I do get offended occasionally (as stated on the commentary, Twilight's depiction of women offends me), but I also recognize that being offended is just a reaction of my ego when I am powerless to actively change something I have moral objection to.  With ALL Of that said, nothing is lower to me than something that is offensive AND not funny.  That makes my blood boil more than anything.

Eddie Doty

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I would never lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation.

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I can't really envision a joke with rape as the punchline, let alone imagine it to be a funny. Oh well, I guess I just don't know 'funny' like Pactrice O'Neal (who I'd never heard of before).

And of course being offended is exhausting and you have things to do, that's why I advise only being offended about actual things that matter in your personal life, not knee jerk over generalizations on the internet like the Tony Harris post that have been twisted through projection. Most of the time, people get offended over the tiniest of things that have little to no bearing on them, stuff that they wouldn't even know about until someone else told them they should be offended.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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I think we can all agree that it is essentially a case by case basis, and that you never know wether comedy will be either salt or salve to that wound until you've actually made the joke and put it into the ether. 

Cancer is obviously a touchy subject but man, did Tig Notaro absolutely SLAY with her 30 min set at Largo.  It was inspiring, moving, and best of all FUNNY.  Now, does that mean every attempt at humor about cancer will work like Tig's did?  No.  The alchemy that made up her set is not a recipe that can be easily replicated.  But I would rather we live in a world where people like James Gunn (who I was specifically referring to in my earlier post) are allowed to make mistakes, and own up to them, before we throw the baby out with the bathwater like Chris Braak did with his dystopian "Whatever," response.

We're all human.  We're all going to make mistakes, but lets look at patterns before we decide to just abandon someone as an artist because of one stupid fucking thing they said.

Eddie Doty

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Or, we could all have a nice cup of concrete and harden the fuck up.*

*Australian. Not good at touchy-feely.

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Dave, my guts lean this way.  I have to remind myself that my experiences are not everyone else's, nor there's mine.  I think a middle way of resilience for oneself, and empathy for everyone else, is a pretty good goal for society to aim for.  But whereas my father's generation (he was born in 1937) tipped the scale towards having a stiff upper lip probably a bit too much (as my father never acknowledged his PTSD from Nam), I fear this current generation leans too hard towards everyone wearing nerf armor.  I don't know where the proper balance is.  I'm still learning it myself.

Eddie Doty

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Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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You know what annoys me? And this is not in reply to anyone in particular, just thinking- I hate it when someone says something that is offensive to someone or some people but they (the offended) aren't actually allowed to say so without criticism. Sure there are those who just like to stir the shit and complain about absolutely anything regardless of how trivial but sometimes someone will say something that does hurt another's feelings. We are only human after all and it's not fair to say 'get over it' or 'man up' because I can guarantee 100% that you are not totally immune to such feelings, yourself. No matter how much you claim to be.

Again, not aimed at any one person in particular, just speaking in general smile

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I don't think it's ok for the person who caused offence to expect people to let things slide, you have to take responsibility for your own actions, and basic empathy should lead to an apology.

That said, I think we're in danger of becoming a little over-sensitive as a whole. We're made of tougher stuff, sometimes we just forget that.

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Everybody is different though, aren't they? Obviously what offends one may not offend another but why should those who find offence toughen up if something genuinely hurts them?

Nowt wrong with being sensitive once and a while smile

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