Re: The cool photos thread (Bandwidth Warning, Yo!)
I had no idea who Orson Scott Card was until you said that and I looked him up. What a sad, vile, putrid human being he is.
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I had no idea who Orson Scott Card was until you said that and I looked him up. What a sad, vile, putrid human being he is.
I liked Ender's Game, but something about it felt weird to me. I don't mean the scene where Ender gives another kid advice on how to seem less effeminate. (Seriously, tho, that's in there.) I mean like it seemed to be making a veiled statement about social Darwinism or something that I didn't quite get at the age of 19.
I had no idea who Orson Scott Card was until you said that and I looked him up. What a sad, vile, putrid human being he is.
Was this based on an internet search then? I'd be cautious of believing everything you read. I'm saddened that we're so quick to form judgements on people we've never met, which is all the more tragic given that we tend to latch onto a first impression we've borrowed from someone else (who often has an agenda) and that it's much harder to change this preconceived notion when we do read wider. Must we really in our minds make enemies of people we never knew existed and will likely never cross paths with? Can't we exercise restraint too in our rhetoric?
The internet's filled with so much vitriol, and it seems to me that most of it stems from people hating other people's hate.
Jimmy B wrote:I had no idea who Orson Scott Card was until you said that and I looked him up. What a sad, vile, putrid human being he is.
Was this based on an internet search then? I'd be cautious of believing everything you read. I'm saddened that we're so quick to form judgements on people we've never met, which is all the more tragic given that we tend to latch onto a first impression we've borrowed from someone else (who often has an agenda) and that it's much harder to change this preconceived notion when we do read wider. Must we really in our minds make enemies of people we never knew existed and will likely never cross paths with? Can't we exercise restraint too in our rhetoric?
The internet's filled with so much vitriol, and it seems to me that most of it stems from people hating other people's hate.
You are so right and you make many good points here. I feel I must re-examine my thoughts on this issue.
My comment about him being a homophobic douche! saddens me to no end. Loved his books when I was young and when he went of the deep-end it was a sad time for me and my friends who liked his books. Maybe a little strong to call him that but that is how I feel.
However If you could show me where I went off the rails myself and where the others with agenda distorted his views I would be the happiest camper on this forum. Nothing would make me happier than having being fooled by the bad people on the internet who just wanted to hurt O.S.C.
Jimmy B wrote:I had no idea who Orson Scott Card was until you said that and I looked him up. What a sad, vile, putrid human being he is.
Was this based on an internet search then? I'd be cautious of believing everything you read. I'm saddened that we're so quick to form judgements on people we've never met, which is all the more tragic given that we tend to latch onto a first impression we've borrowed from someone else (who often has an agenda) and that it's much harder to change this preconceived notion when we do read wider. Must we really in our minds make enemies of people we never knew existed and will likely never cross paths with? Can't we exercise restraint too in our rhetoric?
The internet's filled with so much vitriol, and it seems to me that most of it stems from people hating other people's hate.
EDIT: It's not even worth the hassle.
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-12-06 13:47:20)
However If you could show me where I went off the rails myself and where the others with agenda distorted his views I would be the happiest camper on this forum. Nothing would make me happier than having being fooled by the bad people on the internet who just wanted to hurt O.S.C.
I don't know enough about OSC (or care) to say where you're off the rails, and that's the key here. I don't have all the information. I've given the relevant bits of Wikipedia article a cursory look over but that doesn't qualify me to make any sort of judgement on the accuracy of the quotes or attitudes attributed to him. You may know more and be justified in your opinion, but Jimmy? Less than 1 hour of internet research isn't enough time to justify, in my mind, going from 'never heard of him' to "sad, vile, putrid human being". That's pretty strong language!
What's more, the internet is so shock full of rumour and gossip, Google automatically comes up with "orson scott card homophobe", that I'm mindful of basing any opinions (let alone such vehement ones) based on knee-jerk reactions to what people have said someone else said or thinks. If you look at the articles that pop up it's mainly the same stuff passed around in much the same way as it did in this thread. Somone talking shit about another person they don't know and have never met, perhaps some quote-mining, and another person picking up that ball and throwing it along with added editorial. It's chinese whispers more becoming of the school playground than the DiF community.
Ok, Red. I get it, you're better than the rest of us, ok?
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-12-06 15:05:47)
Pshh, speak for yourself, I'm way more awesome...
Last edited by Lamer (2012-12-06 15:51:52)
Pretty sure I started the name calling on OSC in another thread, and while I still stand behind it, it was probably inappropriate due to being off topic. I made my own decision based on essays of his I have read online. You too can read primary sources! You don't have to come to the same conclusion! Relevant essays by OSC, linked without further comment: one, two, three.
I'll probably go see the Ender's Game movie when it comes out. I hope they do a good job of it.
Last edited by Phi (2012-12-06 20:12:41)
I read some of his columns before coming to the same conclusion and before posting it earlier in this thread. It's just personal opinion, of course.
Oh, and those kitten gifs
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-12-06 22:18:00)
Sorry fellas, must have been in a mood earlier. Here's something 'cool'.
Pretty sure I started the name calling on OSC in another thread, and while I still stand behind it, it was probably inappropriate due to being off topic. I made my own decision based on essays of his I have read online. You too can read primary sources! You don't have to come to the same conclusion! Relevant essays by OSC, linked without further comment: one, two, three.
I'll probably go see the Ender's Game movie when it comes out. I hope they do a good job of it.
Well, I will have to through myself in to the homophobic douche category too because I agree with, and have argue in poli-sci classes in a similar manner. That said, expressing a dissenting opinion always seems to get nothing but trouble, so back to the thread at hand:
Sorry fellas, must have been in a mood earlier. Here's something 'cool'.
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ROTFLOL!
Awww,.. that's bad. Thank you for making my night.
Last edited by Snail (2012-12-08 22:59:50)
Crying rainbow?
Last edited by MadBadCoyote (2012-12-09 02:51:18)
If I know cats, that soft toy's about to be disemboweled. The back legs came up and an ear went back.
If I know cats, that soft toy's about to be disemboweled. The back legs came up and an ear went back.
Don't ruin the moment. Someone is crying rainbows here
Found this, brought a smile to my face. Who hasn't had a cat do this when you're on the computer at least?
Nailed it!
Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2012-12-12 05:45:52)
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