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I've just seen it for the first time in 48fps. I enjoyed it a great deal, acknowledging the issues Zarban outlined in his spoiler topic.

One of the things that struck me most about the higher frame rate, was how much it felt like going to the theatre. The scenes in the Shire were prime examples, it felt like I was watching a play. The whole experience constantly felt more engaging, more immersive.

I want to see more HFR films, they put me in mind of the jump from film to digital, record to CD. The experience is not jarring if you're used to gaming; in FPS games you frequently play at around 60FPS.

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Just watched it.

I like it. Saw it in 3D, 24p. Our local cinema opted out of showing it in HFR(Although every cinema in Norway can), and today really was the only opportunity we had to see it, which meant it was 3D, or blu-ray in a few months.

This also marks the first time I wasn't annoyed at all by the 3D. It wasn't intrusive, in-my-face at all, but instead actually did what they claimed; enhance the experience.

There were a few bits where I went "Time to cut, people", and felt some bits could be shortened in general, as it really didn't need all 3 hours, but overall, I really enjoyed spending time with Gandalf, Bilbo, the seve-, erm, 13 dwarves, Saruman, Galadriel and Elrond again. I also like Radagast, and having not read either books from Tolkien, it was also fun to put a face to Gorkil and Azog, both of which I've only been introduced to in video games.

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The complaints about Azog are interesting. I personally thought he was very well done.

Dave wrote:

The experience is not jarring if you're used to gaming; in FPS games you frequently play at around 60FPS.

I hate the idea of movies looking (even more) like video games, so this isn't a point in HFR's favor with me.

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Dorkman wrote:

The complaints about Azog are interesting. I personally thought he was very well done.

Yeah, I thought he was well done for a CG character. I just think he wasn't quite real enough. It wasn't a huge complaint for me but I do think it would have been better with a guy in a costume. He wasn't gritty or textured enough. I don't know, maybe the LOTR Orcs spoiled me.

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Dorkman wrote:

I hate the idea of movies looking (even more) like video games, so this isn't a point in HFR's favor with me.

My expectation is that for anyone under the age of 30, or who's grown up with games, HFR is likely to be a good experience.

It does mean that sets and costuming are going to require more focus, and that CG elements will need to be that much more visually rich. It's been noted that some of the sets feel like sets etc.

To extrapolate - could this bode well for film making in the US (low cost near-enough is unlikely to be good enough)?

Dorkman wrote:

The complaints about Azog are interesting. I personally thought he was very well done.

Agreed. Lot of character, lovely facial animation.

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Dave wrote:

My expectation is that for anyone under the age of 30, or who's grown up with games, HFR is likely to be a good experience.

I like barbecue sauce a lot, but I don't want it on my fucking cereal. Let games be games and films be films.

Dave wrote:

It does mean that sets and costuming are going to require more focus, and that CG elements will need to be that much more visually rich. It's been noted that some of the sets feel like sets etc.

Which is why I'm hopeful HFR will quickly be dismissed as not worth the significant extra cost.

Dave wrote:

To extrapolate - could this bode well for film making in the US (low cost near-enough is unlikely to be good enough)?

I don't understand the question. If films become more expensive to produce in the U.S. they will stop being produced in the U.S. It's already been happening for a while.

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Dorkman wrote:

I like barbecue sauce a lot, but I don't want it on my fucking cereal. Let games be games and films be films.

That's fine, but I don't think the hobbit really looked like a video game. I was highlighting that higher frame rates are not outside our realms of experience, and that by providing more immersion it made my viewing of the film better.

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Which is why I'm hopeful HFR will quickly be dismissed as not worth the significant extra cost.

I assume you mean cost in post? I can see the overhead in roto and render times, but surely the same argument could have been made for the shift to 3D? That hasn't ruined the industry; I think we're seeing more bums on seats, because the cinema is an event again.

Dorkman wrote:

I don't understand the question. If films become more expensive to produce in the U.S. they will stop being produced in the U.S. It's already been happening for a while.

My point is films will become more expensive everywhere. 3D + HFR is easier on the eye, and the higher frame rate means more attention needs to be paid to detail - especially when  live action and CG actors are on screen together. It would make sense for established houses to leverage the quality difference in their negotiations, as it will be more obvious when low cost providers have been used (and may affect the reviews).

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Also, re-releasing Avatar in HFR would make another profit akin to a small countries GRP.

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Dave wrote:

That's fine, but I don't think the hobbit really looked like a video game. I was highlighting that higher frame rates are not outside our realms of experience, and that by providing more immersion it made my viewing of the film better.

What might be interesting is the selective use of HFR within a movie to help differentiate another world e.g. inside Tron's "Grid", or entering The Matrix, or with a level 4 Inception dream, or as a human is reincarnated as a Na'vi. So the real world is bog-standard 2D 24fps, and then it goes into 3D HFR as the protagonist plugs himself into... enters the portal... re-awakens, etc.

I dunno - just spitball'n

not long to go now...

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avatar wrote:

What might be interesting is the selective use of HFR within a movie to help differentiate another world e.g. inside Tron's "Grid", or entering The Matrix, or with a level 4 Inception dream, or as a human is reincarnated as a Na'vi. So the real world is bog-standard 2D 24fps, and then it goes into 3D HFR as the protagonist plugs himself into... enters the portal... re-awakens, etc.

I dunno - just spitball'n

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier. Wondering how that would look.

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Sam F wrote:
avatar wrote:

What might be interesting is the selective use of HFR within a movie to help differentiate another world e.g. inside Tron's "Grid", or entering The Matrix, or with a level 4 Inception dream, or as a human is reincarnated as a Na'vi. So the real world is bog-standard 2D 24fps, and then it goes into 3D HFR as the protagonist plugs himself into... enters the portal... re-awakens, etc.

I dunno - just spitball'n

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier. Wondering how that would look.

It's one way to use the medium for sure. It reminds me of the trivia that the "video" portion of Pulp Fiction with Mia was shot on digital video and blown up to match. Turned out pretty nice.

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avatar wrote:

What might be interesting is the selective use of HFR within a movie to help differentiate another world e.g. inside Tron's "Grid", or entering The Matrix, or with a level 4 Inception dream, or as a human is reincarnated as a Na'vi. So the real world is bog-standard 2D 24fps, and then it goes into 3D HFR as the protagonist plugs himself into... enters the portal... re-awakens, etc.

You're talking about Showscan, Doug Trumbull's pitch for HFR before it was cool (and before digital made it feasible). Apparently at this year's SIGGRAPH he showed some work in development where you shoot everything in super-HFR (like 120fps), and then draw out of that what you want, so you can use that to interpolate out regular 24fps, jump to 48 or 60, and -- what's really intriguing -- have things moving at 24fps and 60 fps (for example) in the same shot.

I might actually be totally cool with the technique if it were used to enhance the story -- like the examples you made -- I just have a big problem with the idea of making it the standard process used to shoot the entirety of every movie from now on. It's potentially appropriate for MATRIX in the way it isn't for HOBBIT, in the same way a techno score is more appropriate for one than the other.

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Some of the stuff Trubbull is doing these days is completely bananas.  Someone should just strap a GoPro to him and broadcast it on Youtube.

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"Yo, that chick is bananas."

It's a cut line from a movie nobody has seen, and yet every time Branco says "bananas," it comes right back to me.

*pours one out for Apocalypse, CA edit v014.*

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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HFR used in conjunction with cinema vérité? I can see that working.

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Heh.  Thanks, Teague.  Am I in that movie at all anymore?


- Branco

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Oh, and HFR is stupid.  It looks like shit, and it's a pain in the ass to work with.  Even the name "HFR" annoys me.  It's 48fps.


- Branco

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Rico - uh. You're "in it" like I'm "in it." Which is to say, there are you-shaped pixels a few times.

Alas, the bananas line is gone.  neutral

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Another take on The Hobbit at HFR... this time about the artifice of the lighting...

http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/ … of_the_new

not long to go now...

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