Topic: X-Men: Days of Future Past, Questionable Viral Marketing

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The subject of using real news footage in fictional movies has been brought up by Trey before, and I think this might be on level terms with that, if not worse. The website shows how Magneto is partially responsible for the assasination of President Kennedy, and later on implies that Oswald was impersonated by Mystique. I guess this is not that different from what Watchmen did, but I just don't think this is right, or necessary. I also find the timing of this rather suspect as well. With all the documentaries about JFK being broadcasted on the History channel, and National Geographic right now, it seems like the movie's marketing people are really taking advantage of the assasination's anniversary.

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Oh come on, Every sci-fi series has had it's dig at the Kennedy Assassination from Doctor Who to Red Dwarf, Star Trek almost did a movie with Spock as the second gunman. 

I think there is a big difference between putting Michael Fassbender in historic photographs then say using genuine 9/11 emergency calls in Zero Dark Thirty or using riot footage for the opening of 28 Days Later

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The difference is doing it right around the big anniversary of the event. I do think it's in bad taste

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Yeah, it's slightly bad timing. If it wasn't this particular week, nobody would give a shite.

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I think that the website itself is really cool, and I'm not opposed to using this as a plot point in the story, but using the 50th anniversary of a major American tragedy to kickstart marketing for your X-Men movie is in poor taste.

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On second look and consideration, I hadn't realized so many other franchizes had put a twist on the assassination. But I agree with you guys, the timing is what is suspect.

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FireFighter214 wrote:

the timing is what is suspect.

The timing is the point.

Everyone is thinking about JFK right now, it's the anniversary, History/Discovery/every station under the sun is running some sort of documentary/special/conspiracy theory doc of some sort about the assassination, museums are going ape shit with it. Of course they would do it now. They do it any other time and it gets swept under the rug and forgotten, like all of those other ones you had to go look up.

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Why it's apparently ok to exploit an anniversary to sell your documentary/channel and not your movie, I don't know.

The very concept of an anniversary is exploitative in nature.

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redxavier wrote:

Why it's apparently ok to exploit an anniversary to sell your documentary/channel and not your movie, I don't know.

The very concept of an anniversary is exploitative in nature.

Because a History Channel documentary about Kennedy's death is about Kennedy's death, and not selling a fucking superhero movie? It's the difference between publishing a book about Kennedy on the anniversary of his death and getting an impersonator to ride in the presidential motorcade through Dealey Plaza in order to pitch a breakfast cereal on the anniversary of his death.


BigDamnArtist wrote:
FireFighter214 wrote:

the timing is what is suspect.

The timing is the point.

Everyone is thinking about JFK right now, it's the anniversary, History/Discovery/every station under the sun is running some sort of documentary/special/conspiracy theory doc of some sort about the assassination, museums are going ape shit with it. Of course they would do it now. They do it any other time and it gets swept under the rug and forgotten, like all of those other ones you had to go look up.

I mean, I think they got screwed because their movie is coming out next summer. Now's the time to start this viral marketing. And apparently this has been an aspect of the film's story for a while. It just feels scummy.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Because a History Channel documentary about Kennedy's death is about Kennedy's death, and not selling a fucking superhero movie? It's the difference between publishing a book about Kennedy on the anniversary of his death and getting an impersonator to ride in the presidential motorcade through Dealey Plaza in order to pitch a breakfast cereal on the anniversary of his death.

Except a small mock website that you have to go out of your way to find is not remotely like that example. And a crap History Channel documentary about Kennedy is still selling you the History Channel, commercials and all. What about a documentary or books about the conspiracy? Isn't that wholly inappropriate?

The point is that anything that comes out on or near an anniversary is deliberately being timed for optimal market penetration and we simply don't notice it most of the time.

How do we feel about the Bluray release of Stone's JFK movie?

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It's exactly like that example. The difference is that the History Channel is (ostensibly) trying to educate you about the event.

The difference between all of your examples and this X-Men thing is that they're all ABOUT JFK. Kennedy is the focus of all those documentaries and books. But not here. The focus here is a superhero movie.

And again, I'm not entirely opposed to using this as a plot point. It's just that using the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's death to launch the marketing for an X-Men movie is wholly different than using that anniversary to launch a book or movie that is ABOUT Kennedy.

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I don't want to speak for Trey but I think we have a similar objections to the use of real footage: using real images of atrocities and violence to propel your fictional story is inappropriate. If you're going to view those images they should, ideally, be in their proper context. Not your story about water aliens or super mutants. It falls somewhere between exploitative and flat-out wrong.

Using JFK's assassination in stories or marketing is a different conversation. It boils down to whether you're okay appropriating history for fictional ends. A lot of great stories have, so I don't care. Yeah, in this instance it's stupid and appeals to the inner conspiracy theorist. But meh.

Acting like this week somehow makes the use of the material more inappropriate is inconsistent. Either it's okay to use or it's not. I think stuff like Titanic and JFK are safe in 2013. I wasn't alive for either of those events. But it will be a long time (if ever) before I'm comfortable with anything 9-11 related.

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I'd suggest those of us outside of a country whose history is being used for fiction are far less sensitive to it.

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50 years is so long ago that it doesn't matter.  I have a bigger problem with Stone's JFK and all the conspiracy theory stuff that gets passed off as facts.  That's doing more damage than a fake X-men promo.

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I have a bigger problem with Stone's JFK and all the conspiracy theory stuff that gets passed off as facts.  That's doing more damage than a fake X-men promo.

This.

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Raven wrote:

50 years is so long ago that it doesn't matter.

Well no, 50 years is a huge anniversary. They made a big deal out of it with all the documentaries and stuff. So, clearly it does matter to many people. Again, I don't particularly care (although, apparently I do more than the other non-Americans which is worrying big_smile ) I just thought releasing it in the same week as people were remembering and paying tribute was a bit off.

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Jimmy B wrote:
Raven wrote:

50 years is so long ago that it doesn't matter.

Well no, 50 years is a huge anniversary. They made a big deal out of it with all the documentaries and stuff. So, clearly it does matter to many people. Again, I don't particularly care (although, apparently I do more than the other non-Americans which is worrying big_smile ) I just thought releasing it in the same week as people were remembering and paying tribute was a bit off.


I'd say the 50th is less important than the 49th which is less important than the 48th, etc.  The 50th anniversary stuff is an arbitraty number that society has decided to make falsely important.  In reality if we actually cared then we would still care as much on the 49th and the 51st anniversary and not only then, but the rest of the year as well.  My dad passed away a few years back and I miss him almost every day, but not any more on his birthday or the anniversary of the day that he died.  Anniversaries make sense from a programming perspective and so does this ad campaign.

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Fair enough. I don't care enough about it to continue.

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Raven wrote:
Jimmy B wrote:
Raven wrote:

50 years is so long ago that it doesn't matter.

Well no, 50 years is a huge anniversary. They made a big deal out of it with all the documentaries and stuff. So, clearly it does matter to many people. Again, I don't particularly care (although, apparently I do more than the other non-Americans which is worrying big_smile ) I just thought releasing it in the same week as people were remembering and paying tribute was a bit off.


I'd say the 50th is less important than the 49th which is less important than the 48th, etc.  The 50th anniversary stuff is an arbitraty number that society has decided to make falsely important.  In reality if we actually cared then we would still care as much on the 49th and the 51st anniversary and not only then, but the rest of the year as well.  My dad passed away a few years back and I miss him almost every day, but not any more on his birthday or the anniversary of the day that he died.  Anniversaries make sense from a programming perspective and so does this ad campaign.

Given the fact that there is still information that has not been released to the public, and that there is still questions regarding JFK's death, I can understand the public interest.

Anniversaries are important to people, especially 50 years, which usually considered the half-way (or past half-way) point of a human's life, so it takes on significance of its own in relationship to the human lifespan. 50 years is actually a milestone in many ways.

I don't think anniversaries are a matter of missing more so much as a call to remembrance of sacrifice and loss. JFK is still significant because there are people who do remember it, to whom it was a significant moment in their lives, and brings back both memories and questions.

I don't think the significance or the poor taste of the marketing should be underestimated.

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fireproof78 wrote:

I don't think the significance or the poor taste of the marketing should be underestimated.

I just highly doubt that there are people who have no problem with the content of this advertising who will now refuse to see this move because of the timing of it's release. And even those who claim that now, can't stay mad at it for the full year that passes between now and the movies release.  If it was the movie itself being released on the 50th anniversary that might(and I doubt that even) register in box office figures.

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Raven wrote:
fireproof78 wrote:

I don't think the significance or the poor taste of the marketing should be underestimated.

I just highly doubt that there are people who have no problem with the content of this advertising who will now refuse to see this move because of the timing of it's release. And even those who claim that now, can't stay mad at it for the full year that passes between now and the movies release.  If it was the movie itself being released on the 50th anniversary that might(and I doubt that even) register in box office figures.

But, that isn't the point of my post, or of the OP (at least, I don't think). It seems to me, that nothing can affect box office numbers other than advertising. Even films that are considered "stupid" and the like still keep going, so I'm not sure of the relationship.

My only point was that anniversaries have significance as does the fact that JFK was assassinated 50 years ago. Both events have importance to the culture at large. What impact that importance has will likely be minimal in terms of box office figures. But, that doesn't strike me as the point.

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