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Goblet of Fire.

Yeah, I went there.

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Agreed- although my personal fave from PT Anderson is still Boogie Nights, Magnolia is a fascinating piece of work with many outstanding performances.   Everybody's good in it, but the true standout for me is Melora Walters.  The way Anderson chooses to end the movie with one long take of Walters reacting to John C. Reilly without even letting us hear what he's saying is just fantastic.

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Exactly! I would argue that even at it's worst (Insurrection, Final Frontier), Trek has still felt like it was trying to be about ideas, or had a cursory respect for science. Into Darkness plays like a slightly more coherent Michael Bay movie. It may be competent from a directorial standpoint, and better made than many of the movies in the series, but it fundamentally goes against everything the series stands for. If Roddenberry was pissed off at Star Trek 2 and 6 for somewhat betraying the spirit of the series, he would have probably set himself on fire in protest if he ever saw Into Darkness.

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No offense to my fellow Trek fans but I don't feel like it goes against EVERYTHING Trek stood for. First of all, science is bad and I will not defend that part. Yeah, it's dumb but that is as much a failing of other series as Abrams trek. Abrams Trek just hyped it up and said no, we will do what we want. No argument there.

One place (and I may stand alone in this) is that Abrams recaptured a sense of fun and adventure that the Original Series had but was lacking, at times, in the other series. Abrams also attempts some social commentary, in both films, that I found more engaging that any of the TNG era movies.

Abrams Trek, for me, is driven by the characters. One aspect of Roddenberry's future was humans becoming more enlightened and reaching for their potential. I don't think he would set himself on fire (and I could be wrong) because Abrams takes a different tack at this future. It isn't that humanity isn't working towards a more peaceful and united world but that the vision is being challenged, either from within or without. TOS had a couple of episodes like this, and DS9 took it on more fully with the Dominion War.

Abrams does so mainly through characters. You have Kirk, who was the poster child Starfleet captain, a man of principle but flawed at times, but trying to become better. In Abrams Trek, Kirk is not reaching for anything beyond himself. He is not seeking to fulfill his potential but is willing to squander it. It takes the influence and guidance of Pike to make him take a step towards becoming better, to cultivate that potential within himself.

So, again, no offense, but I don't see it as antithetical to every aspect of Roddenberry's vision. I think that Pine's Kirk is more related to Shatner's Kirk than many realize. Shatner's Kirk is a flawed man who recognizes it, while Pine's Kirk is just now learning and maturing. The flaws are still there, but one is trying to correct them while the other is learning about them.

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I liked Into Darkness much more than Abrams' first effort. I think I was just too distracted the first time around to have any fun with it. Both films are equally retarded and badly written. However, the ending of the second film really lets it down (not that the first ends significantly better).

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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Finally got around to watching Pacific Rim.

I came away with two thoughts. First, it was impressive how much the CG monsters looked like guys in suits. Not all the time, naturally, but in many of the fights you could replace the mechs with a suit Godzilla and he'd fit right in. Second, it's definitely a "name that reference" movie. The hero mech being nuke powered while the rest aren't is from Giant Robo, and the ending reminded me of Gunbuster. That doesn't make it a great movie, but it does make me want to watch those anime again smile

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The redhead who gets murdered in Maniac is the woman who introduced me to my wife.

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