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Yesterday, I watched The Lone Ranger, Jack the Giant Slayer and Elysium, in that order. I liked the last film most and felt TLR had two great action scenes and a middle hour of nothing.

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After the Programming Childhood Intermission, I decided to rewatch this. Everyone sings the praises of this movie, and Takahata is one of my favorite anime directors. I figured it was worth another try just in case my memory of this movie was flawed and it was actually a much better than I remembered it. And in fact, the first half of the film is pretty good. I was mostly on-board with everything until it hit about the 50 minute mark. Basically, the point at which Seita turns into an annoying asshat and the romanticization of his relationship with Setsuko gets out of hand. After that, the movie was grating my nerves so badly I had to turn it off. I eventually managed to finish it, but only just barely. Seriously, a very sad two minute montage of a little girl playing set to an incredibly somber version of "There's No Place Like Home?" Not exactly going for subtlety, I guess.  roll

I'm always surprised when people describe this as an anti-war film, because there isn't anything anti-war about it, as far as I can see. Sure, it takes place during the war and misfortune befalls the characters as a direct result, but essentially the war is just the backdrop. It could've been set at any time and in any place. Takahata never intended it to be an anti-war film, and author of the novel wrote it as an apology/love letter to his younger sister. In fact, I'd say the movie goes out of its way not to make any sort of statement about WWII or wars generally at all. Primarily, Grave of the Fireflies is trying to shame its audience, and it uses heavy-handed, manipulative tactics to do it.

So I remain in the minority of people who don't like this movie. hmm
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Saw the ULTIMATE 3.5 hour cut of WATCHMEN. Oh. My. God. Talk about operatic. Any snob you meet that claims opera is superior to comic book movies can be officially thumped in the nose.

not long to go now...

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Cotterpin Doozer wrote:

I'm always surprised when people describe this as an anti-war film, because there isn't anything anti-war about it, as far as I can see. Sure, it takes place during the war and misfortune befalls the characters as a direct result, but essentially the war is just the backdrop. It could've been set at any time and in any place. Takahata never intended it to be an anti-war film, and author of the novel wrote it as an apology/love letter to his younger sister. In fact, I'd say the movie goes out of its way not to make any sort of statement about WWII or wars generally at all. Primarily, Grave of the Fireflies is trying to shame its audience, and it uses heavy-handed, manipulative tactics to do it.

So I remain in the minority of people who don't like this movie. hmm
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And there's nothing wrong with that. It brother IS an idiot, in fact killing his sister. They could have lived a good life with the aunt if he had stayed there and obeyed her rules. The author kills his younger self because he's ashamed he lived.

As far as being anti-war, any film that deals with those affected by war is almost anti-war by definition. It may not be the main point, but it is there. The director need not have intended that message for it to, in fact, be there, especially when we are dealing with a film where others working on it may have injected that feel. I DO think some of our admiration of this film comes from comparing it to Barefoot Gen, the other auto-biographical kid in WWII anime. That movie, about a boy who survives Hiroshima, is incredibly upbeat and hopeful in its ending. I haven't seen its sequel, or even knew it existed until looking at Wiki. The fact that one never made a splash among the US anime community probably tells me a lot about it smile

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I watched Only God Forgives earlier today. Man, what a disappointment. It was a 90 minute movie with only 20 minutes of story to tell. The rest was a lot of style that didn't mean much beyond, "Look at all my neon!"

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

"Look at all my neon!"

"Watch me pull a sword out of my ass."

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I watched Only God Forgives earlier today. Man, what a disappointment. It was a 90 minute movie with only 20 minutes of story to tell. The rest was a lot of style that didn't mean much beyond, "Look at all my neon!"

I can forgive that.

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Lamer wrote:
Doctor Submarine wrote:

"Look at all my neon!"

"Watch me pull a sword out of my ass."

Yeah, what the fuck was up with that? It's not a continuity error or anything. Everytime he does that, Refn gives us a shot of his back to establish that, no, he doesn't have a sword back there. And then he cuts to the guy's front, and he pulls out the sword! I didn't understand what the point of that was, and there was clearly some sort of intent, since Refn emphasized it so much.

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So, the movie is using "hammer space"?

(an old anime trope, from comedies where women would suddenly whip a giant hammer out of nowhere to smack a guy who was looking at another woman)

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Pretty much, yeah. But nothing else in the movie operates under that sort of logic, so it makes no sense.

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I read that Refn pulled some symbols from the Chinese deities. Apparently, the singing we see the policeman doing a lot is associated with divinity and such. I don't know, maybe the guy pulling his impossible sword from nowhere is a part of that.

PS: I enjoyed this movie a lot. I'll agree it doesn't seem to tell much story-wise, but the very stylistic parts of it are full of symbols and themes that require some interpretation. I got out of the theater thinking, "What the hell did I just watch?". The stylistic parts are completely surreal, and are followed by violent scenes which leave you a bit stunned.

The film's freakingly beautiful, too. Definitely not made to be everyone's cup of tea, but I found myself liking these peculiar works of art a lot. Valhalla Rising is next on my watch list.

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Anyway, after I first heard that that was the intention of the filmmaker, I watched it again and the movie went from being one of my favorites to really kinda pissing me off, not just for the statement he was making, but for the fact that something that I had really loved had this nasty side that I had never noticed about it before, and I can now see it in just about every aspect of the film.

A perfect example of why you should never find out what an artist intended something to mean smile

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And there's nothing wrong with that. It brother IS an idiot, in fact killing his sister. They could have lived a good life with the aunt if he had stayed there and obeyed her rules. The author kills his younger self because he's ashamed he lived.

My problem isn't that Nosaka "killed" his younger self out of guilt. My problem is that Takahata decided that it was the audience who should feel guilty. Even before I understood Takahata's exact intentions, this film felt like an obnoxious piece of propaganda. Knowing that I was right about his motives if not his target doesn't make things any better.

Invid wrote:

As far as being anti-war, any film that deals with those affected by war is almost anti-war by definition. It may not be the main point, but it is there. The director need not have intended that message for it to, in fact, be there, especially when we are dealing with a film where others working on it may have injected that feel.

That broadens the definition of "anti-war" to the point of meaninglessness, but I guess that it's partly a matter of perception. I'm not saying that "Word of God" is the end all and be all of what a story has to say, but authorial intent can play an important part in our understanding and appreciation of a work. Tossing it out entirely seems short-sighted.

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He looks straight at the audience with a not-too-happy look on his face, and then he looks out at all of Tokyo with the same disappointment.

A made-for-tv remake was done in 2005, I think, that essentially "forgives" present day Japan for being such inconsiderate brats. It tells the story from the point of view of Seita's cousin, as she explains to her granddaughter why her mother was such a bitch to Seita and Setsuko when they were living with them. It has the typical J-drama saccharine-sweet sentimentality and very low production value, so it might not be worth looking up, but it's out there. This movie does a much better job of being an "anti-war" film in my opinion, because it goes more into the hows and whys of the story as they directly related to the war. Providing context matters, and that's not something the anime version bothers with at all.

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I still think Takahata is a fantastic director, tho.

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Saniss wrote:

Valhalla Rising is next on my watch list.

Best of luck with that. A film so excruciatingly bad I've developed a pathological loathing for it. I'm convinced the film is a test to see how irritatingly vague, lifeless and pointless a film you can make and still be lauded for it by some art house afficionado.

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redxavier wrote:
Saniss wrote:

Valhalla Rising is next on my watch list.

Best of luck with that. A film so excruciatingly bad I've developed a pathological loathing for it. I'm convinced the film is a test to see how irritatingly vague, lifeless and pointless a film you can make and still be lauded for it by some art house afficionado.

If you have the problem with the films Refn makes, it's because they're too deep for you to understand.

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Ewing wrote:
redxavier wrote:
Saniss wrote:

Valhalla Rising is next on my watch list.

Best of luck with that. A film so excruciatingly bad I've developed a pathological loathing for it. I'm convinced the film is a test to see how irritatingly vague, lifeless and pointless a film you can make and still be lauded for it by some art house afficionado.

If you have the problem with the films Refn makes, it's because they're too deep for you to understand.

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Hey, there's music from Only God Forgives in there!

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We'll see. Maybe I will love it and realize I was a movie hipster all along.

Oh God, no.

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Just got back from The Wolf of Wall Street. That movie is bananas. For the first half, I was sure that it was a vital piece of American cinema, a perfect comment on how the country behaves today. But the longer it went, the less convinced I became. It's still a great movie, and maybe even a necessary one. It's a movie about American excess that itself is incredibly excessive. Was that an intentional thematic choice? Scorsese is so brilliant that I might just give it to him.

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The Wolverine. Was with it right up to the third act.

I liked the setting, there were interesting moments, and for the most part it looked ok (barring anything to do with aging). It hits the crazy train towards the end, and the script seems to have been replaced by a bowl of jelly beans. Too many "Wait, why would person Y perform action Z?", "Why was person X in the film in the first place?", and underwhelming resolutions.

Disappointing, but better than X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

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More reviews should start, "I went to Walmart today..."

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Just watched Anchorman for the first time before quickly driving to catch the day's last showing of the sequel. The first one is very clever and extremely funny. The second isn't as clever or funny, but it has some great Daily Show-style satire of 24-hour cable news. I like them both a lot.

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Pain & Gain - One of Bay's best movies, and actually pretty watchable. Still, it's 20 minutes too long, and he ruins multiple scenes because he can't restrain himself with his shitty comedy. A scene will start out working well and kinda funny, and then he'll keep pushing it until it stops being funny.

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Buying a ton of really bad movies for very little money is about the only thing Walmart is good for. It's especially nice because they have a separate queue in their electronics department for buying things from that department. The queues in the front of the store are depressingly jam-packed with people 24 hours a day. I got 57 movies for $50. That'll keep me busy for a week or two.


...that's alot of movies... Nice!

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School pal came up and we went to see 47 Ronin and loved it. It's somber but has a sly sense of humor. The direction is a little shaky here and there, in that some of the dramatic beats could have been landed a bit harder. We both loved the dragon fight.

Then we watched The World's End on Blu-ray and enjoyed it quite a bit. It's quite maudlin for a while but ramps up suddenly to real hilarity. It kind of loses its way at the end, in my opinion, and becomes a bit cartoony, but still enjoyable. I rank the 3 Cornettos as Hot Fuzz, then Shaun of the Dead, then this.

This morning, we watched White House Down. I'd heard that it was funnier and better than Olympus Has Fallen, and I agree but it's so close as to be a photo finish. Fun-while-it-lasted Die Hard retread.

Then we finished off with The Last Stand. A bit familiar, but it has plenty going for it. Good job all around. Johnny Knoxville adds welcome spice.

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

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