beldar wrote:

9. Cars.  When i saw the 1st teaser trailer i thought 'uh oh this is gonna be awful'. Then when Steve Jobs sold the damn company i thought 'he's selling before this flop comes out'. But i liked it ok.

Of course, he wasn't selling the company, he was getting Disney to pay him $7 Billion to take over Disney with John Lasseter (the same thing he did when he got Apple to buy his company NeXt). It's a good deal if you can pull it off.

Branco wrote:

Nobody take this the wrong way, but what exactly was in TS3 that made it so emotionally powerful?

The movie was about saying goodbye, and how do you accept the end your situation/life. This will affect some more then others, and I freely admit to crying more then is usual due to several losses in the past 15 years smile

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Well, it does depend on what market the film was aimed at. Here in the west, where most haven't paid much attention to wire-fu films, having all those cliches was a plus and a breath of fresh air. In Asia, though, it may have been the equivalent of a Hollywood by the numbers buddy cop film with a $300 million budget.

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Not a kids movie, but John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness. You have God is evil, Jesus was an alien, quantum physics can decode holy texts, Alice Cooper as a possessed bum and the nerd from Rip Tide gets impaled on a bike. What's NOT to like?

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Astroninja Studios wrote:

I'm not gonna lie Beldar...there's not a LOT of interest in Anime from the cast members, but stranger things have happened.  I wouldn't mind something larger and historical though, like an Akira or a Princess Mononoke.

If you're only going to do one or two anime, apart from like you said something like Akira or one of Miyazaki's films (Princess Mononoke is one of his minor ones), I'd like to suggest Wings of Honnêamise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spac … Honnêamise

It's a fanfilm, basically: a bunch of animation nerds managed to get the funding to do an incredible SF movie about a nation's first space program. Visually stunning, they designed an entire culture as well as visited NASA to help get things right. As good as the dub is, though, I'd recommend using the subtitles translating the Japanese track- two critical lines were changed to make the main characters less.... well, unlikeable smile

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Thanks to last week's episode I've been re-reading (well, listening to) the Hornblower books. I haven't read them since I was a young teen, but they were my dad's favorite. That being the case, I shouldn't have been surprised that they were probably the source of one of his favorite words: 'gauche', which means either left handed or awkward and uncouth. Being a born lefty who was forced to be right handed, he liked the humor in it and playfully used the word with my left handed sister.

Anyone else have parts of their vocabulary that can be traced back to unusual places?

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Has no one suggest Willow yet? I would love to hear you guys talk about just WHY they couldn't get this sucker to work. Live action fantasy, unlike SF, has never really fared well and this was one of the few big budget attempts pre Lord of the Rings.

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BrianFinifter wrote:

New York abstains.

So, when are you guys going to do 1776?

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Trey wrote:
Invid wrote:

Plus the last battle in New Orleans (technically fought after the peace treaty) where we spanked the British sort of had it ending with a big win that came to be all anyone remembered

So much so that  - I suddenly realize - it was  immortalized in an often-covered country song.   So that's what "The Battle of New Orleans" is about...

Go figure, most of my knowledge about the war of 1812 comes from a Charlie Daniels cover of a novelty tune.

I think I first heard the song when Sha Na Na did it on their TV show in the 70's smile

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Trey wrote:

It will come as no surprise to anyone that America's version of history skips over the part where Canada kicked our ass.

Well, to be fair, it was the British, and many Canadians outside of Ontario probably wish we'd burn Toronto down again. But, yeah, the rest of the world considers the War of 1812 a defeat for the US given we started it and ended up with none of the intended war gains, while the US considers it a win because for awhile it looked like we'd become a colony again but ended up fighting the UK to a draw. Plus the last battle in New Orleans (technically fought after the peace treaty) where we spanked the British sort of had it ending with a big win that came to be all anyone remembered.

(have I mentioned I'm a history geek?)

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Never got into Farscape for some reason. I was at the Worldcon (probably Baltimore) when Henson had preview trailers for both it and another show, iirc called "Brats in Space". We at first thought it was "Rats in Space", and I personally was so disappointed it wasn't I tended to ignore the Henson shows after that.

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

I've always had a soft spot for the "fuck it, everyone dies" kind of finale. Or even the "okay, no actual characters died, but fuck it, the premise of our show dies" kind.

Blake's 7 was especially fun in that regard when I watched it on the local PBS station long ago. I had no information on the show, so the constant death of the cast at the end of each season was a surprise (and as I wasn't keeping track you never knew when a season was ending). It's just not the same knowing what actors are leaving ahead of time...

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They should have gone out Blake's 7 style (or even Space: Above and Beyond style). Make it an ending to remember!

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Trey wrote:

An advantage of being an American is our own history is the easiest to learn in the whole damn world.  We had a war with England and became a country and then we had a war with ourselves and stayed a country and then we had a war with Germany and Japan and won, the end.   The rest is just cars, rock and roll, and a moon landing.   

I can only imagine how much harder it is to learn British history, for starters there's two thousand more years of it. Criminy.

Then again, instead of just having to know one area's history Americans should know the details on why certain major immigrations happened to the US, and that tacks on quite a bit. All of British, European, Aztec, Mayan, and Native American history is to American history what the Old Testament is to the New Testament. Sure, you can ignore it, but you kind of need it to actually get the right meanings from newer books.

(my dad taught Jr High American history, so I'm a bit of a history nerd)

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Lets face it, others are just as ignorant about the US, or anyplace besides their general part of the world. I joke with my Malaysian friend on how I generally can't tell most asian nationalities apart, while she thinks all us white people look the same. The difference between French and Italians? Damned if she knows unless one is eating pizza smile

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Finally listened to this and enjoyed it. As nobody mentioned it in the show I'll second the recommendation in the show notes that everyone read the Horatio Hornblower books. For you Trek fans, Kirk was originally pitched as "Hornblower in space". However, I'll also suggest you don't read the books in their official order but in publication order starting with Beat to Quarters (which is sometimes combined with the next two as Captain Hornblower). As is often the case, C.S. Forester started the series with his characters already in their element and went forward from there. Once the main character got to be an old man at the rank of Lord he went back and wrote a half dozen prequel books (Harry Harrison did the same thing with his Stainless Steel Rat series). They work OK if you do read them chronologically, but the author did assume readers of Midshipman Hornblower were already familiar with the character.

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beldar wrote:
Invid wrote:

Someone who finds the commentators interesting smile

Fair enough. There just seemed to be a negative reaction to the podcast, and i wondered 'what did you expect?'

Well, I honestly didn't know if DiF liked the film or not before that one post you're referring to, and assume he didn't either. Gregory Harbin is just saying his opinion wasn't changed, not that the commentary itself wasn't interesting or entertaining. It's similar to my reaction to the Avatar commentary: I really like the movie, they mostly ripped it a new one, and after listening to them I still really like the movie. It's probably the first time at least one DiF guy didn't have an opinion similar to mine so it was an interesting experience.

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maul2 wrote:

Invid: Got a link for that?

It's the Uchannel podcast, which you can find through iTunes. The subscription feed is

http://uc.princeton.edu/main/index2.php … ;no_html=1

There's also a video version for many of the lectures. There's a lull now as it's the end of the semester, but you often get stuff from the UK this time of year and it's interesting to hear their take on US problems.

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beldar wrote:

Who listens to a commentary about a movie he hates?

Someone who finds the commentators interesting smile Also, I'm the type that enjoys hearing other points of view so long as they're given rationally (for example, while I ignore Fox News there's a University lecture podcast that has numerous conservative guest speakers who who often are fascinating)

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A pistol with a silencer and lots of ammo clips. Or, if I just want the weapon for self defense, night vision goggles so I can get some of the local currency.

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TimK wrote:

"Fantasy" doesn't mean you have total freedom to change the rules as you go along. That's the whole point of magic beans.

Or, more to the point, you have that total freedom in the first draft, then on the second pass go through and insert the rules that justify what you want to happen smile (Stephen King in On Writing comments that all endings are Du Ex Machina, it's just that the author can go back and put on the mantle the gun he needs in act 3)

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heckboy wrote:

I havent seen too many anime's but the title alone Photon Space Sailer Starlight Odin sounds amazing! in a bad way.

To be fair though a lot of anime have long titles like this that sound silly when translated, even the great ones. I mean, who'd guess that Super Dimensional Space Fortress Macross was the title of a good show? (although, to be fair, it was intended to be a parody even if the fans took it seriously smile) It's even more fun when they use English titles because they think it's cool. One of the best cyberpunk shows is called... Bubblegum Crisis. Why? Because the creators said the situation was like a bubble that was about to burst. The sequel was going to be called Bubblegum Crush until they found out US fans thought it sounded like a soft drink, so they changed it to 'Crash'. Given how bad that show is though the new name is more descriptive then they intended.

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Astroninja Studios wrote:

Invid are you in Buffalo?  My wife is from there.

Yup. Given we get most of our new residents because Buffalo girls insist on living here and bring along hubby, I'm impressed you've resisted ^_^ (the number of Buffalo sports stars who married local and stayed is quite impressive)

It's one thing to be brilliant and make something awesome, but the self delusion that goes into making something bad and thinking its good is an art unto itself.

The main Buffalo News reviewer has commented that the worst movies come from brilliant creators who should know better, or in other words great talent applied badly is much worse (and more entertaining) then a lack of talent. That's what makes the anime Odin so great imho, because you just know they could have done a great job but failed utterly.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

Actually, that's kind of an oversimplification. I understand it looks that way, a la ROCKY HORROR, but THE ROOM is a phenomenon unto itself.

To be a truly "so bad it's good" film, the creators have to have intended serious art and that's the case here. You also can't predict what will get this kind of attention, or try and intentionally create it. The creator of Rocky Horror learned that.

The original poster asked for other recommendations. I'll mention one well known in anime fandom: Photon Space Sailer Starlight Odin. This early 80's movie was an attempt to create a new franchise to replace the old tired Yamato/Star Blazers series. The plot: a new experimental space ship which looks like a 19th century clipper ship (with full sails) picks up a spaceship wrecked teen girl among ruins of an unknown alien race. The crew of cadets mutiny so they can go exploring, and this unarmed ship manages to defeat whole alien battle fleets while the girl keeps chanting "Odin... Odin!"

Yes, it's that good smile

For the dub they hacked a good hour out of it, but you really have to experience the uncut subtitled version which still gives the translator nightmares. The movie just gets so MUCH wrong, it's amazing. You can see what they were trying to do, and just watch the execution fail utterly. One example: to give the movie a modern flavor, they use a Japanese band singing English 80's metal music (verging on Hair Metal). Ok, cool, I can get behind that, and the opening scenes of the crew running to their post to the pounding beats is great. However, for whatever reason they only had the group write two (count them, 2) songs... and then reused each one a half dozen times. The pain...

Most anime fans just think of this film as unwatchable crap, but I firmly believe that understood properly it's a classic of how NOT to do things and can be enjoyed as such.

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The star/director himself is going to be in Buffalo at some point for a showing of this classic. I think he has enough of a sense of humor about it that Rifftrax could get the rights to do a live riff of the film (they've already done a regular rifftrax)