Topic: #66 - Programming Childhood
...seriously, watch The Sandlot.
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...seriously, watch The Sandlot.
...seriously, watch The Sandlot.
Seriously. Watch it for Marley Shelton!
I'd be proudest dad in the world if I knew my future son was fapping to Wendy Peffercorn.
That, and he preferred to watch the Holy Trilogy over LOTR.
mmhm, Winnie Cooper.
Danica McKellar turned out okay, too.
...seriously, watch The Sandlot.
That and The Mighty Ducks make a great double feature.
Huh, interesting episode. Hadn't ever even heard of Fraggle Rock, never watched Muppets or Sesame Street. I'm getting the feeling this is a generational thing (I'm guessing you guys grew up in the 80s), since I wouldn't have really been watching TV a lot till the mid-90s, so I'm guessing most of these weren't airing regularly on TV anymore at that point (well, Sesame Street has been around forever, but I had outgrown it by the time I started watching TV).
So for me it'd be more Looney Tunes and Nickelodeon cartoons (and maybe Power Rangers, I vaguely remember that still being a thing when I was a kid).
Sesame Street is in it's 42nd year and just as relevant as it always was. Fraggle Rock was very much born of the eighties. I grew up with a ton of Nickelodeon stuff too, but it was the original Nick stuff like You Can't Do That on Television, Pinwheel, and as I mentioned, Mr. Wizard.
There is also an availability divide. Our house did not have cable until both us kids were in college. Thus, no nick, no disney channel. We DID get Fraggle Rock, as it was a HBO and CBC coproduction and thus was available on Canadian TV. Other than that, if it wasn't syndicated or on a broadcast network, we didn't see it. We got a VCR in the mid-80's, when both of us were in high school.
My father used to tell the story of how, when Sesame Street started, one of his fellow teachers refused to let his own kids watch it because it had Black kids playing with the Whites. Dad had his own issues, but he took it as a point of pride that he wasn't THAT bad!
There is also an availability divide. Our house did not have cable until both us kids were in college. Thus, no nick, no disney channel. We DID get Fraggle Rock, as it was a HBO and CBC coproduction and thus was available on Canadian TV. Other than that, if it wasn't syndicated or on a broadcast network, we didn't see it. We got a VCR in the mid-80's, when both of us were in high school.
My father used to tell the story of how, when Sesame Street started, one of his fellow teachers refused to let his own kids watch it because it had Black kids playing with the Whites. Dad had his own issues, but he took it as a point of pride that he wasn't THAT bad!
I gave you a MAJOR shout out in the episode and THIS is what you post first with!?!?!
I don't know whether or not Carl Sagan's old "Cosmos" program was palatable to other little kids, but I ate it up when I was 9 or 10. It was the only programming I saw that discussed the universe--like, the whole universe--and I was fascinated. Even if it might not have been a kids' show in the strict sense, and even if I didn't understand every concept, I was glued to it. I think it had a lot to do with Sagan himself, with his weird delivery and obvious enthusiasm he was a lot like a cartoon character.
I actually intended to bring up Cosmos, but ran out of time. That was a hugely important show to me, and the new version, provided it lives up to my high expectations, will be seen by Grayson NOW.
I gave you a MAJOR shout out in the episode and THIS is what you post first with!?!?!
Hey, I've only listened to half the episode, as that's how long it took to walk back from the car repair place. This year's inspection will only cost me $600
I prefer The Muppet Show over Fraggle Rock but I do understand why others would think the opposite. I just like Fozzie Bear and Gonzo so much
Fraggle Rock aired in the UK with different versions to those that aired in the US. We had a different Lighthouse keeper (we had three in the shows run) and Uncle Traveling Matt traveled the UK.
OK, finally listened to all of it, and so yes, thanks for the unexpected shoutout
As for dropping anime knowledge, all three shows that made up Robotech are available in their original form. Southern Cross (which was originally canceled before they could come up with an ending) and Genesis Climber Mospeada are available subtitled, and the ADV release of Macross has subtitles as well as a new dub. All are well worth watching. The biggest change made to turn them into Robotech, besides deciding all the Black characters were related, was to change "proto-culture" into the fuel used in Mospeada. Originally, in Macross, it's literally the culture both humans and the aliens are descended from, and the aliens react to human culture the same way many around the world react to US culture (leaders are repelled, some of the people love it).
For me, actually, what Robotech was for Eddie STARBLAZERS was in my life. The first two series of Space Battleship Yamato were brought to the US under that name in 1978, and it was incredible. They toned down the death a bit, but not much. Characters still died, actions have consequences. It was my first real exposure to serial storytelling. The dubbing still holds up, even if "Captain Avatar" sounds like McGruff the Crime Dog.
Miyazaki didn't direct Grave of the Fireflies. It IS from Studio Ghibli, which tends to only release Miyazaki movies, so the confusion is understandable.
I like the analogy of The Muppet Show to WWE. It reminded me of one of the most monumental moments in my childhood TV viewing life. The 70's were when a bunch of old kids shows tried to make a comeback. They did a new syndicated Mickey Mouse Show, as well as a new Howdy Doody. My dad had loved the show as a kid, so naturally I watched the new one (from the dates, I was about 7 when it started). Each episode had Buffalo Bob trying to put on that week's show, and the clown Clarabell would keep interrupting. At some point, as I watched, I thought to myself, "Man, they have NEVER actually finished an act!"
At which point, I realized the horrible truth: Clarabell, and all the interruptions, were scripted.
A part of me died that day...
One of RObotech's oddest legacies is that the US company that distributed it here, Harmony Gold, still has it's offices on the Sunset Strip here in Hollywood. They have a very nice screening room that they rent out all the time for premiere's, SAG, and DGA screenings. You always here of screenings at the Harmony GOld theater, but most don't realize what Harmony Gold does mostly.
Yeah, their existence appears to stem mostly from exploiting Robotech and trying to get money from Macross derivatives they have no rights or connection to by bullying small companies; a court in Japan ruled about 10 years ago that the company HG bought the worldwide distribution rights from don't own the intellectual property, so they don't either. HG's response? Essentially, 'we're Americans not Japanese'.
However, they've gone much further than simply believing they own the entire franchise and blocking the sale of Macross goods, they have actually trademarked "Macross" in certain countries (including the US and UK), which in my mind turns them from being pricks to outright fuckers. Why are they allowed to continue? It's a mystery, but one assumes Big West simply doesn't see the value in foreign markets as good enough to warrant the inevitably costly legal battle and until they sort that out they'll never do business with HG. And why should they? This is a company that even tried to trademark Macross in Japan!
On a lighter note, I've just started watching the new version of Space Battleship Yamato and I'm enjoying it immensely.
I'm so glad for all the Fraggle Rock love.
It was definitely my go-to Henson work as a kid, mostly 'cause I've never cared much for Miss Piggy. The episode where Mokey gets Convincing John to convince everyone to stop eating the Doozers' constructions has always been one of my favorites. I just love that the world of Fraggle Rock is so complex. I have a hard time imagining what could be higher on Teague's list of stuff to watch!
I was also a little surprised at how little love Don Bluth got during the podcast, but then, I probably could've done at least 30-40 minutes just on The Secret of NIMH. NIMH primarily seems to be remembered for scaring the pants off of us as kids, but it's also an all-around beautiful, wonderful film. And even though some of his later stuff isn't that great story-wise, all of them are lovely to look at.
Miyazaki didn't direct Grave of the Fireflies. It IS from Studio Ghibli, which tends to only release Miyazaki movies, so the confusion is understandable.
Okay, slightly rapid anime fan moment here, but...
As a Takahata fangirl, and someone who really doesn't care for Miyazaki that much, I tend to find this sort of confusion irritating. I personally hate Grave of the Fireflies, but Isao Takahata deserves so much more attention abroad than he gets. His films are excellent, and aside from Grave, I recommend them all highly. I've even got tickets for his latest, The Tale of Princess Kaguya, burning a hole in my pocket right now.
And while Miyazaki has had several more films than Takahata in the past few years, it's a bit of a stretch to say that Ghibli only releases Miyazaki movies. In fact, for the past ten years they've spent most of their time giving the next generation a chance to spread their wings and watching them fail spectacularly. Takahata and Miyazaki have both said the films they each released this year will be their last, so unless by some miracle Goro Miyazaki manages to get his act together, the future is looking a bit bleak.
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And while Miyazaki has had several more films than Takahata in the past few years, it's a bit of a stretch to say that Ghibli only releases Miyazaki movies. In fact, for the past ten years they've spent most of their time giving the next generation a chance to spread their wings and watching them fail spectacularly. Takahata and Miyazaki have both said the films they each released this year will be their last, so unless by some miracle Goro Miyazaki manages to get his act together, the future is looking a bit bleak.
I did say "tends" I haven't paid much attention to the new stuff coming from them, mostly because I'm not really hooked into the anime scene anymore. If you haven't seen Whispers of the Heart, though, go do so. Best movie about a John Denver song ever! (the dub is great, but they had to make some changes to get the entire idea of the movie to work. They also changed a line at the end so as not to promote marriage between middle schoolers
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But otherwise, the middle schoolers are living in sin!
But otherwise, the middle schoolers are living in sin!
Well, it is a Japanese movie, so no one cares whether you're living in sin or not.
But really, making a decision to marry someone when you're 14 is pretty stupid, even if you aren't Romeo and Juliet.
I've seen all of Studio Ghibli's feature-length films (including the God-awful Tales from Earthsea), and probably most of their shorts and OVAs. I haven't voluntarily watched a dub of anything in at least the past 14 or 15 years, but luckily for me, all of the Japanese DVD-releases of Ghibli movies come with an English subtitle track. Whisper of the Heart is my absolute favorite. The death of the director, Yoshifumi Kondo, was a huge blow for the Studio as he was incredibly talented and basically Miyazaki and Takahata's chosen successor (Miyazaki did the screenplay for Whisper).
If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend The Cat Returns, which is a spin-off of Whisper of the Heart. It's the only film they've ever released that feels like Ghibli but that also feels like a modern film rather than a quaint/nostalgic/reverent look back at an earlier time. There's a youthful energy to it that none of the Studio's other movies have. It works with the thread topic, too, because the main character is in high school and the story is pretty accessible for younger kids.
And, if you watch the dub, you get to hear Cary Elwes battle Tim Curry, the matchup you've all been waiting for!
And, if you watch the dub, you get to hear Cary Elwes battle Tim Curry, the matchup you've all been waiting for!
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