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Doomy Temple.

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Wow. Right-a-fuckin-way.

There you have it, folks, hot off the presses.

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Fixed has secured his nomination for best post of the thread.

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I'll get through the whole thing latter, but I got through the intro's and was amazed how insane I sounded just off mike.

That'll learn me.

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I mostly agree with your guys' points, though I still think you're a bit harsh on it. I'd certainly take Temple of Doom over damn near any of the summer blockbusters the last few years. Also, you complain that it takes its sweet time getting to the Temple, but I kind of appreciate the fact that you have all this buildup, and then the last 30-35 minutes is pretty much non-stop action sequences, very relentless and exciting.

Its still a toss-up for me whether Last Crusade is better or not, because the tone in its action sequences is a bit too goofy for me, and I prefer the set pieces in Temple of Doom (also I will never forgive Last Crusade for ruining the Marcus character and turning him from an intelligent former adventurer to a senile buffoon). I think I also appreciate that instead of going the typical sequel route, they took a chance and made a movie that has a different feel, different bad guys, different time period. Last Crusade plays mostly like a watered down not as good version of Raiders, though Sean Connery goes a long way towards making it awesome.

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7 (edited by Zarban 2011-08-02 07:14:11)

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Temple of Doom is great, just not as good as Raiders and Crusade. Doom goes a little too dark, and Crusade goes a little to fluffy, but the pacing of Doom is indeed weak in the first half.

EDIT: I've listened to it all now, and it's a terrific commentary. Sorry I missed the live recording. This sounded like good fun.

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Trey mentioned that, I think.

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This! This is what the Zombieland commentary should have been; An intelligent, objective examination of a movie I enjoy. Even though I think the movie works, I can greatly appreciate this commentary because the criticisms are constructive and valid. Great work, guys!

I could be mistaken, but a few times, you guys seem to imply that Short Round first met Indy at the top of the movie. Based on the way they talk to each other (He knows to call Indy "Dr. Jones", for example), I was always under the impression they were already established friends before this movie begins. Am I missing some important exchange in the picture (that's right, I said picture) that disproves this?

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We were spitballing an alternate version of the movie where Short Round and Indy are, if not strangers, less close than they seem to be at the top of the film, so that the growth of his relationship with Short Round could be a hook for Indy developing a conscience -- although Trey doesn't feel that they actually do seem that close, and that Indy treats him more as a servant than a friend until Shorty sets him on fire and learns the white man some respect.

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Agree 100 % with the DiFers on this commentary. The difference is, though, I've never really liked ToD, even when I was a kid. I was always a Raiders guy then a Crusade guy when I saw that in the cinema. I love both about equally now, despite the way they fecked up Sallah and Brody in Crusade.

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I've grown to love Capshaw's Willie. She's a good actress playing a role that's unlike anything else out there. And what's more, I buy her character completely. She's more real than Short Round (who can somehow KO grown men with single kicks and is just way too cool and fearless for a kid).

I find it curious that a criticism of the movie is the long build up to the titular temple. This has been hailed as a good dramatic device in movies such as the first Alien movies, Predator reveal etc. Does it not work here because this is an action adventure?

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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16 (edited by Trey 2011-08-02 15:50:10)

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If kids are remaking it, does that mean Short Round should be played by an adult?

The commentary pretty much nailed every complaint I had with the movie.

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19 (edited by TimK 2011-08-02 16:48:42)

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I think an interesting thing to do would be to put the entire saga in chronological order, all three movies (THREE!). That means "It belongs in a museum" cuts to the gong, showing the mercenary Indy has become due to his absent father figure. Any amount of tightening that could happen to that film would be nice, but the implied character arc would be throughout, allowing him to grow in responsibility, become a teacher like his dad and then, after hours of screen absence, he hears something happened to his estranged father.

We know Steven loves his daddy issue stories, and the degree to which Indy's a terrible surrogate (tribute of surrogates) father to Shortround plays into the larger arc of growing against his will in to the man that his father can respect. Then at the end, they ride into the sunset together. The End.

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Just out of curiosity, have there been many prequels that actually WORK? Temple of Doom had the advantage that there had been only one movie so there's not much continuity or character to screw up, but in most cases they create tons of problems where none existed before. Or they fill in character pieces you really didn't need. It doesn't help that they often come when the creator has run out of things to do with the existing characters/world, so they go back and do an origin story or tell stuff hinted at in the real books.

The Horiatio Horblower books are sort of OK, mostly as I read them "in order" as a kid. Coming back to them as an adult and reading them in publication order, not so much smile

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Gentlemen, well done. Once of your best critical commentaries in a long time.

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Thanks man.

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You had me at the canned laughter.

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