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haha, good question tongue

Actually, I think the story for this sort of movie really has to be simple. Something like The Dark Knight can be full of plot twists and complex story bits cause you can sit there and focus on the one thing for a while and connect all the dots. In a movie like this there are too many main characters to be able to focus on one of them too long, so the plot has to let you spend some time with each of them.

I think that's the problem a lot of modern action movies have, really. They try to hard to cram too much into the plot. Die Hard is about a guy fighting thieves/terrorists in a big building. Simple idea that you can hang a lot of cool action sequences on. They don't overcomplicate it, it's mostly just a dude attacking / running from guys with guns. There are other things in that movie, but all of them come back to the main plot about the guy in the building.

Transformers 3 should be a movie about a giant robot that wants to teleport his world over here and enslave the world. He needs to get these things in order to do that. The movie should be him saying "I want to get these things" and the good guys saying "We'll stop you!". You go to different locations where they have a fight and the good guys lose and the bad guy gets all the things. Then he sets them up and starts teleporting his world here and begins the enslavement process and the good guys rally together (maybe the first time all of them have been together and not split up to protect multiple targets?) and there's a big fight and they beat the bad guy in some clever or awesome manner. The end. Everything should relate back to that basic plot in some way.

Instead we get about an hour of a kid looking for a job and dealing with his overbearing parents.

The Avengers brings it old-school.

EDIT: god damn, guys, the movie made $80 Million on Friday alone. That one day puts it at the 34th best opening for a film ever, and second highest single day take for a film (Deathly Hallows managed $91 Million on it's opening day...). With two more days to go, not to mention the very positive word of mouth going on, it wouldn't surprise me if it has the best opening weekend ever.

Also, I should have asked, is it worth seeing in 3D? I went to a 2D screening. I think next weekend I might try to see it in 3D. There were a few parts where I thought "wow, I bet that bit right there would kick ass in 3D"

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I saw it in 3D, its not too bad if you can get decent seats. But I've heard if you are at the front the 3D looks really blurry

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It just made $200m. In three days.

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I'm still not sure how well they can estimate Sunday sales by morning. I hadn't even decided to go for a second time until after they'd already announced the figures. I wouldn't be surprised to see the number jump a million or five when the announce the actual sales.

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Considering it was released internationally first, I'd bet it's made more than that.

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It's at something like 640 million globally.

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It's already made more, in three days, than either Thor or Captain America made in their entire run.

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It made more (domestically) on Friday alone than John Carter did in its entire run.     Ouch.

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Trey wrote:

It made more (domestically) on Friday alone than John Carter did in its entire run.     Ouch.

Disney's 1 for 2 so far, then.

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While Disney does get a cut of this because of the merger, most of it still belongs to Universal.

Eddie Doty

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You mean Paramount, Eddie? smile

(tried to word this many ways as to not look like a dick. Fail.)

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Shifty, your such a dick wink

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I was just thinking, the UK has been getting a few films before the US this year- Goon, The Raven, Battleship, The Get the Gringo (which is straight to DirecTV in the US and it's called How I Spent My Summer Vacation here) and, of course, The Avengers.

I find it very strange.

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I like the idea that it's because the studios don't know what day the entire European economy will melt, so are trying to get what money they can out of them early.

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The review I wrote for my blog ended up being very negative, which is strange, because I had a great time while watching the movie. However, I left it feeling totally empty. Delicious but unsatisfying.

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Eddie wrote:

While Disney does get a cut of this because of the merger, most of it still belongs to Paramount.

My understanding is that it's fully a Disney film, but Paramount gets a cut of earnings and their name on the masthead. It's kind of a mess. Happily Avengers is performing so well I think there's enough money to go around.

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Shifty, your such a dick wink

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Eddie wrote:

In the Civil War arc, the government cracks down on masked superheroes after a battle results in the incineration of a small town, killing thousands.  The government passes a bill requiring all SUper powered folk to register and be employed by the government.  The Avengers split down the middle in their support of it; Iron Man adamantly supports the bill, Captain America does not.  Those who do remain Avengers while Cap leads a dissident underground group of Avengers to battle not just Iron Man's faction, but the nefarious forces behind the new law.  Consequences were never the same.


I loved the Civil War and it would be great to see a version of it on the big screen (as opposed to another aliens from outer space antagonist). Unfortunately I don't think it will be possible any time soon. Too many other studios still own the film rights to Marvel characters (Sony - Spider-Man, Fox - X-Men and Fantastic Four). So it would pretty much come down to a Nick Fury and Cap vs Iron Man and Thor movie.

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Oh and I loved The Avengers, but like some other people already mentioned the first 15 - 20 minutes were the weakest in my opinion.

Banner/Hulk went from being one of my least favorite character is the Marvel U to my favorite in the film. Joss really fucking nailed his character.

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I said this before and I'll say it again, it's not like any hardcore Comic fans were just dying to see an Avengers movie happen.   Aside from the initial Ultimates story arc, there hasn't been an Avengers centric storyline (not really counting House of M or Civil War, as that is more Marvel U wide than just Avengers) that was worth much of a damn in the last 20 years.  It honestly wasn't until I saw Iron Man as a movie that I thought that an Avengers movie might work.  Not because of the source material, but because of the interpretation.  With that said, I almost feel like they painted themselves into a corner a bit here.  I'm not sure I WANT to see Thanos.  But they almost HAVE to go bigger at this point, don't they?

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That shows that often the problem with some characters isn't really them, but that it takes a good writer/actor to make them work. I have a similar take on musical stage productions. There are a number that really shouldn't be attempted by local companies because, damn it, they're so easy to screw up. Camelot is great in the right hands, horrible otherwise. That's one reason among many I really love The Book of Mormon: I see it as being idiot proof when done by the the Waiting for Guffman people smile

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I hated Civil War. This. Right here. This is why I actually liked the Pro-reg side

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Gregory Harbin wrote:

I'm still not sure how well they can estimate Sunday sales by morning. I hadn't even decided to go for a second time until after they'd already announced the figures. I wouldn't be surprised to see the number jump a million or five when the announce the actual sales.

Heh, I was right! The official numbers peg the weekend at $207 million. Must be that IMAX 3D screening I went to on Sunday.

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The review I wrote for my blog ended up being very negative, which is strange, because I had a great time while watching the movie. However, I left it feeling totally empty. Delicious but unsatisfying.

So it's like the film equivalent of chinese food? Tastes great, but an hour later you need to go watch it again?

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Loved it but I have one issue. Nick Fury says the world needs remarkable people to come together to fight battles. Tony Stark is one of these people because he has a suit of armor more advanced than any other piece of technology on the planet.

It was never about the suit. He's there because he's fucking Tony Stark. As the line goes.

"Take away your suit what are you."
"Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist."

Rhodey is none of those....though I guess you know the first one is kinda the important one.

Anyways, now that that's outta the way.

(Prepare for random stream of random thoughts)

I got to see this today (So the honeymoon is still on but I'm not gonna apologize for that), in ultraavx 3d and whatever else they want to add on to the end of it. Blew 18 bucks outta my bank account, got crammed at the end of a row (Assigned seating) in a roughly half empty theater (It was a noon showing. I moved). I had probably the most annoying audience ever, I'm fairly certain 1/3 of the movie was covered by people walking in front of me, in and out of the theater. But it was worth every fucking cent and hassle. Dear goods this was amazing.

First off, the introduction of Hawkeye was brilliant. We meet this character who we really only know from the trailer (Where he's doing awesome good guy hero stuff) and we instantly make him a lacky for the bad guy...so I'm already like...okay...wtf...and this is gonna be cool.

Side note. Was I the only one kinda thrown off by seeing Stellan Skarsgard and a dude who looks frighteningly like Daniel Craig in the same shot without one of them hanging by the neck from the ceiling on a chain? Anyways...

Opening action sequence was awesome. Robin in that suit, dear gods I can die a happy man. And she surprisingly really holds her own through the entire thing, I was impressed.

My feelings for Scarlett throughout can be summed up as: "Honey you fucking earned and deserve that shot." Every single fight scene she had I loved (Although this is true of practically every fight scene in the movie...so it's nothing horribly specific to her) and she actually kinda felt like a real person, which was awesome.

I am so fricking pumped for the Hawkeye movie. Amazing how we haven't had his setup movie yet, he spends the first 1/3 of the movie as effectively a bad guy, and he still works just as well as any of the others. Joss man, hats off dear sir.

Maybe it's just where I got put, but all the stuff in the other world was freaking me out with the 3D, my brain was warping the hell out. And not in that weird bad 3D way, it just felt like something completely out of this world. So cheers to whoever made that work.

Gwyneth Paltrow in shorts shorts...pretty much sums that one up. I love their relationship. I wanna see Iron Man 3 just for the 2 of them now.

Maybe I was just predestined to buy into it all, but I never really got the sense that the invuls (Thor and CA) weren't in danger. And I mean they can take a hell of a hit, and hit back just as hard. But the thing is, that wasn't the point. For all of them it's about saving earth. And it doesn't matter if they "can't die", if the world is torn down around them, and that's where they're vulnerability comes from. Which is EXACTLY where Joss needed to take the Avengers to make it work. And well, the results speak for themselves.

The one piece of fridge logic (Well...fridge logic I got immediatly after he said it, I forget if we have a word for that) was Hulks, "I'm always angry" thing. Maybe I just don't understand Hulk, but if thats how he's been managing to contain Hulk for a year and a half, (except when he falls through the floor?) shouldn't he ALWAYS be the rage hulk that emerged on board the ship? It might have worked stronger with more of a focused character thing, or maybe I just missed something. Someone please fill me in.

The council. Um what? (I havn't seen CA, so if it's explained there, my bad...but seriously, where the fuck did that come from?!)

And that end of the credits Schwarma thing is amazing. I was dying laughing through the entire thing. It just kept going and going and going. I kept waiting for something to happen and then black. It was amazing. An awkward pause Craig Ferguson would be proud of.

Also, I see Mike somehow managed to get his credit at the easily locatable end of his section. Nicely done sir.

Anyways, I think that's everything I wanted to say.

To close. We really really really ought to be giving Joss Whedon way too much money way more often.

EDIT: I was wrong.

I finally saw the Battleship trailer in front of this movie.... I need to see that. I don't even care. I need to see that movie.

Also in front of my screening was the trailer for Frankenweenie. Which I didn't even know was being made, but looks amazing.

And also also in front of my screening was the last TDKR trailer. AMAZING on the big screen with full surround. The quiet first half was one of the most amazing things I've seen in a theater, so intense.

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