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Dave: Check your PM's. I've sent you the Teague-tastic footage I have.

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Cheers Tom, can we use your titles too?

Hooray, community!

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Titles? As in "The Road Trip" title card?
I don't have it anymore, but it's an easy thing to do tongue

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Dave wrote:

When finished, we can move on to our next project.

Don't forget to credit the production babies. tongue

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

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Zarban wrote:

Don't forget to credit the production babies. tongue

I think Pavlich is trying to block out that experience.

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HOORAY FOR THAT JOKE

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I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Thanks to Tom, we've recovered some of Teague's original takes. Sadly, while the archive validated the MP4s, on extraction most of the files were corrupt.

http://i.imgur.com/vMKhvwh.jpg

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Filmin' again, I guess.

I'm gonna go off of the version of the script I have, lemme know if any of the lines I say no longer make sense with the updated scripts everyone got.

Teague Chrystie

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I've had limited time today, so I've incorporated Teague's re-shot footage and started to tighten the cut. The rough cut is almost complete, to finish blocking I need to figure out how to do the end sequence without it becoming tedious, and get the outstanding footage from anyone else who wants to include their stuff.

It would be great if we had more covering footage - exteriors, taking off, pulling in - but I think it's holding together pretty well with what Teague's managed to pull together by himself. Audio issues aside, realistically there's only so much that can be done with the wide range of formats and how tightly trimmed some of the source material is.

I'm hesitant to suggest it, but perhaps those involved can give feedback on pacing and scene count. What's working, what's not, and what are your suggestions.

SPOILER Show

Current premiere project file can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k1c7ptfswjjpp … eme.prproj

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Looks like it's taking shape. Obviously the sound levels are all over the place, and I think there needs to be swapping here and there, but yeah. good job.

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Yeah, I think it is taking good shape. Having Teague's stuff makes it work a whole lot better, and more interesting, to me.

Everyone has done a great job with the lines and working solo, so I like seeing the script coming together too.

God loves you!

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HOLY SHIT

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/242/631/382.gif

Editorially, I think it just needs a bit of fat trimming and score, to be honest. There's some heads and tails that could be lopped off to tighten down individual shots, it could "feel" faster just with some more judicious slicing on the takes. Plus with some score, and more driving shots to separate the vignettes, I think it'd feel more like a short film and less like a string of lines. A brief musical interlude every now and then with pretty out-the-window driving shots from everybody.

My offer to help with the audio stands, I'd love to help there... but also, I could score this thing. I'm thinking something cute and synthy, sort of an ongoing incidental score, with touches of moving here and beautiful there.

What all other driving shots do you want?

I can see use for more and/or better generic exterior driving shots, as well as a McDonalds arrival (and maybe a Mcdonalds departure, but I think the gag there works better as a hard cut to a generic driving shot, not actually leaving the restaurant).

Teague Chrystie

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Teague wrote:

and maybe a Mcdonalds departure, but I think the gag there works better as a hard cut to a generic driving shot, not actually leaving the restaurant

Maybe a shot of you considering the new offer, then cut.  hmm

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Snail wrote:
Teague wrote:

and maybe a Mcdonalds departure, but I think the gag there works better as a hard cut to a generic driving shot, not actually leaving the restaurant

Maybe a shot of you considering the new offer, then cut.  hmm

That would probably work nicely.

Awesome job, Dave. We're actually getting there!

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Teague, yes and yes - please make it sound pretty!

As a community project, I think it's important to keep people involved. While we don't want too many cooks, if you can do something well which helps, pipe up.

Exterior shots, yeah you're pretty much bang-on. Same with the edit feedback - as an "I'm learning Premiere!" level user, pointers and tips are appreciated. For example - last night I discovered that if you press control when dragging an insert into the sequence, the icon changes to a different icon, and the need for me to manually select and drag the edit from that point onward disappears. My life changed in that moment, and editing became a lot more enjoyable.

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Any other shots you want me to get today? It's pretty easy for me.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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If we could get a stack of different exit left, and some exit right shots of your car (not random dark coloured vehicles) travelling that would be brilliant. Also an exiting McDonalds shot, and exterior shot of your car in a Mc Donald's car park would be useful. There are a whole bunch of sequences where you're slowing down to pick up, or pulling away from a suburban location - more of those pickups would really help.

At 5am on little sleep, that's the main stuff which springs to mind. There's also a missing line from the poem which was never uploaded , could you deliver that to the rear vision mirror?

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This is pretty cool!

Keep up the good work guys. My main impression is that if the editing is like the bit between Dave, Teague and Ewing discussing keelhauling, it will work very well.

More exterior shots would help break up all the different bits too, I agree with that.

God loves you!

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When the upload completes, version seven lives below.

SPOILER Show

Notes are appreciated. To kick them off I've a couple of points to query.

  • The poem - is it working?

  • End sequence - it's long, does it need to be tighter?

The Premiere Pro project file for version seven follows: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhq1gh072tgmk … eme.prproj

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Poem's working just fine. Except the levels.
End sequence is fantastic. It really works. Some needs a bit of stretch, actually, and try and keep the shots where people actually leave the car on separate sides. Like: Back left to front right instead of back left to front left. Kinda shatters the illusion.

Also, is it just me or is Pavlich getting into the car cut from this version?

*side note: Instead of always showing Teague's car, you could cut in some of the footage shot out of windows. I know I shot a great deal of Norway, for instance.

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Pavlich's entrance is in, we just don't see him sit down.

Regarding your side note, that's actually made me reconsider the sequence before the poem. I think anything outside suburbia should be cut to make the shots in the final sequence more impressive. Norway is stunning, but if we've seen 9 minutes of stunning, your opening the door has less impact.

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Dave, just... you rule, dude.

This is outstanding. I'm totally impressed by how much this is working. (I mean, I knew it would work all along, but still, you're really making my case for me. Remember when you all thought this was insane? Ah-HA!) I also don't think I've said this yet, but I'm really impressed by some of the performances in here. Who knew everyone could act.

Thoughts:

Don't worry about holding off on the magnificence of Tom opening his door at the expense of making the overall show cooler, I agree more outdoorsy vista stuff throughout could help, especially once there's music in here.

I'd say swap the order of "I'm worried about you" and "Paaaaaaavlich."

Gimme a take of you saying "Norway" more audibly for the sound mix on the "while we were in Norway" joke.

I'll do VFX on shots where the BG is moving/not moving when it shouldn't be. Maggot at McDonalds, for instance.

Haaaaaa, nice reverse on the leaving-McD's shot.

8:29, this is the exact moment for a many-shots-long, say twenty seconds, driving montage. Cool exteriors, people looking out windows, music. ... I press play, and look, a driving montage! Great minds. I'd add ten or fifteen more seconds into that anyway, people looking out windows, the best external shots. The music will sell it.

Jim's one Space Jam might be the biggest laugh line in the whole thing. I know there was originally a buuuuunch of Space Jam jokes, but as it stands with what we have, having a guy who didn't ever get introduced randomly end a poem with "Space Jam" reeeeeeeally tickles me.

ROFL @ "Fluid on me."

End montage, I'd have it go Teague, then Pavlich, then a horizontally flopped Ewing... stack the beginning of the montage with a few comparatively unimpressive vistas, but more importantly, several shots WITH in-car-door-opening happening. A footprint in the snow on "they're all getting out of the car now" will really put the sequence on solid footing. THEN Tomahawk, which is a door opening AND an impressive vista - the score would be timed so when he slides open his door, the "already moving music" kicks it up a notch to "holy shit is this moving" music - which takes us into the other cool ones, like Saniss, and everyone else. Establish car doors opening up front, so we A.) "get it" for the rest of the time, and B.) don't have to cut back into the car. Also, Teague-Pavlich-flopEwing-Tom goes left-right-left-right. Which, that's nice.

Montage-specific notes: I'd reverse the footage on Paul's shot, so it starts tight OTS and pulls back to see more city. Same with blue guy at 11:04. (Jimmy?)  If Owen's take has more running in it before he arrives at the post bumper stick thing, I'd put that in. Running joyfully goes well with the kind of music that's going on. And I'd lose the shot at 11:16, nuthin's happnin.

LOL, I never would have thought to have Greg's line almost inaudible under music, and maybe your intention is for that to be temp, but it's funny like it is.

Overall notes, I'd say there's still some air between lines here and there that could be pared down a bit, but holy shit do you rule.

How much more do you wanna work on this thing before calling it picture lock and moving onto the next phase? (That'd be audio work, scoring, VFX, and color correction/titles.) I don't wanna step on your toes, so if you wanna do it, you've well earned it... but I'd love to CC/title/credits this thing in addition to audio and score. I know, it's the easy last step after you've done all the hard work, but offer's on the table. In that case, you'd gimme a high-rez (higher rez than any of the footage even is) render of the show as it stands, as well as the audio-stuff mixdown that I'll tell ya about later. And a further offer, at further risk of stepping-on-toes: if you'd rather be done with this thing, I can handle the "cutting the air between lines down a bit" stuff in that same process.

If the answer to the offers is "go fuck yourself, dude who dropped the ball on this project for a year and a half and needed someone else to do all the hard work," that would make plenty of sense.  cool

Just. Fucking. Awesome. You're a credit to the community, dude.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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All of what Teague just said, plus a big hug.

Likes for everyone. I love you all.

(this is me coping with Breaking Bad being over. It'll pass)

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I'm happy to hand over, if you are willing to put together some more training stuff so we can play along at home.  big_smile

Think of it as penance for being 18 months tardy?

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Absolutely. What'd you have in mind? Requests, son!

Make whatever changes you wanna make, stuff thats on your mind, suggestions from of my wall-of-text, whatevs, no rush on handing it over. But, when you hand it over, here's what needs to happen.

Audio

In Premiere, hopefully this whole edit is in one sequence. (If not, lemme know, and I'll lay out how to do it for multiple sequences.) Save your project, then save it again as whateveryoucallit_DELIVERY.pproj. (Backups!) Go to your sequence.

Edit -> Edit in Adobe Audition -> Sequence

"Selection" should be Entire Sequence, set Handles to 2.00 seconds, and check the box for Open in Adobe Audition.

It should open in Audition.

File -> Export -> Session

Make the filename the same as your most recent Premiere project name (whateveryoucallit_DELIVERY), and make sure it's getting saved somewhere easy to find. Format is Audition Session, .sesx. Sample type should be set in stone for you, ideally it's a number equal to or higher than 48,000, 16 bit. If it's way lower than that, get in touch with me. If it's close, keep going. Check "Include markers and other metadata," and check "Save copies of associated files." Then click the "Options" for that.

Check "Convert Files," set the format to .AIFF, sample type can be "Same As Source." Format Settings will tell you a bit depth, probably 32 bit floating point, but maybe 16. Either is fine, don't worry about it. "Copy entire source files," and uncheck "Overwrite existing files," and "Include video." Check "Include markers and metadata."

Then click "Okay."

This might take a minute. It's going to save the Audition project where-ever you told it to, and in that same directory will be a new folder called whateveryoucallit_DELIVERY_CopiedFiles, full of brand new .AIFFs of each take, with your original Premiere export handles. The whateveryoucallit_DELIVERY.sesx file you saved (in whatever directory the whateveryoucallit_DELIVERY_CopiedFiles folder is located) will be a new, unrelated Audition session, that doesn't refer to your original files from Premiere - it refers to the brand new audio-only Copied Files you just made.

So if you give me that .sesx session, and the CopiedFiles folder, I have everything I need. smile Zip 'em up and throw that on the FTP.

Video

From your sequence, go File -> Export -> Media.

Match this stuff. Pretty girl not required.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3962/u48c.jpg

(Your filesize will be closer to a gig, I think.)

I usually hit "Queue," and then hit the play button when the Adobe Media Encoder pops up. (This way you can close Premiere, Audition, everything, and it'll still render in the background.) Ladies choice.

Upload that file to the FTP, and you're done with this whole mess.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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