Ugh I totally posted this in the wrong thread, meant for it to go into chat box gems. Further calamity, etc. etc.

Well, a thing happened. I would like to think I helped us cope as we worked through a difficult time.

If anyone wants to add colors to match chatroom colors, be my guest, I can't be assed quite that much.


Andrew Boter Bugenis added David Carlson and Chris Walker
Andrew: i hereby call this FIYH withdrawal chat to order
You named the group FIYH Withdrawal.
David Carlson added Sébastien Fraud.
David Carlson added Tom Ellingsen.
Andrew: the last thing I saw in chat was Teague saying "stop killing people" and I can only assume my browser stopped refreshing chat before somebody said "challenge accepted" and now CALAMITY
Tom: What's up exactly?
Andrew: who knows, site's down and I'm just getting a default Apache Ubuntu landing page on the server (more than I was getting last night)
Sébastien: I asked Teague if Holden had finally signed that contract with the Dark One, and that I didn't appreciate my soul being bargained that way
Sébastien: ...apparently it's not that
Sébastien: Tom, did we actually invoke the Devil yesterday with our shenanigans?!
Tom: I'm not sure.
David: Apparently I miss all the best parts of DiFChat
Andrew: yeah im always catching up after the fact, sigh
Sébastien: Nah it was a messenger thing
David: I guess the Nightwalkers are just more interesting
David: Your MOM was a messenger thing!
Sébastien: Hey, not fair!
Tom: Well he's not wrong
Tom: Hahaha
Tom: So when's the hyacinth sequel? [angel smilie that's crashing post]
David: Oh man, after my programming courses and the subsequent career change
David: Might start in a year. But that's assuming a lot. Point was to finish my first big project, and then be able to focus on a more lucrative one for a while smile
Andrew: "might start in a year"
Andrew: what about your dick?
Andrew: ok that's scratched the itch. off to work
David: (☞゚ヮ゚)☞
You added Martin Lejeune.
Martin: They left us
Martin: They left us
Tom Ellingsen added Owen Ward.
Tom: I say we slit their throats in their sleep.
David: Why in their sleep?
Tom: It's cliché, but it works
David: So I have to be patient?
Tom: No, you live closer than I do. I commission you to the task.
David: ...see I feel like this is more incriminating on Messenger than in a private DiFChat big_smile
Andrew: I mean it's a plane ride for any of us. Might as well make a meet up out of it.
Tom: Well at that point I assume we'll all be too drunk to kill anyone. Which I'm also fine withb :'D
Andrew: Ironic it'd take the death of the forum, then, to bring us all together. For murder! How heartwarming. I can hear the score and smell the Oscar already.
Andrew: Tom, yeah, same tongue rather than throat slitting it'd just be scathing burns. So, same as always, just vocally so.
David: A Death-Of-DiF suicide pact?
Tom: Haha yeah
Andrew: What no, a picnic.
Andrew: A DiFnic.
David: .....right.
David: How do YOU do picnics?
Tom: Carefully
David: Man I guess I have to post this here now tongue
David: Guy creates a rubiks cube that solves itself. It's somehow cute.
Andrew: amusing and vaguely threatening right up unti it runs itself off the table tongue
Owen Ward added Alex Byzet and Jimmy Brown.
Owen Ward added Kristofer Regan.
Sébastien: Y'all off your nuts.
Sébastien: Forum still down then?
Sébastien: I say we find David a title for Hyacinth 2. Dude's totally lacking imagination.
Owen: 2 Hyacinth 2 Disaster?
Sébastien: Hm.
Tom: Hyacinth di2aster
Sébastien: Hyacinth 2: In Space, No O- yeah you're dead
Sébastien: I mean that's more of a tagline but I'm really looking to capture the spirit of it here
Sébastien: Hyacinth 2: Out of Control
Sébastien: ... I mean, you know.
Tom: Hyacinth 2: crews control
Sébastien: Hyacinth 2: feelin' blue
Sébastien: Wait no that's the porn parody
Tom: Hyacinth and the bouquet
Sébastien: Hyacinth: Saniss Is Not Done Yet
Andrew: Hahaha feelin blue
Tom: Hyacinth 2 : hyacinth harder
Andrew: ------
Andrew: So its a rainy, dreary day outside the bookstore, meaning it's a slow, quiet day inside. And I discovered that this manga is perfect for lunch break on a day like this
Andrew: Relaxing cooking manga about living with an oversized arachnid after the end of the world
Owen: I think I’d enjoy that
Tom: LOST.
Tom: That's not how it works
Andrew: ... What.
Sébastien: Wtf.
Tom: So what he's saying is that godaddy just had a hard drive failure and had no backups?
Tom: That doesn't add up, as that'd probably kill the database too, which wouldn't give us a "it's working" message, right?
Andrew: How is that a thing. I know GD sucks but that's... Basic srudd
Andrew: Stuff *
Tom: Srudd indeed
Tom: If it is the case, I can probably imagine the site is down forever.
Sébastien: Site structure is probably stored locally by Holden or something, but the forum archive might be gone in that case yeah.
Tom: I wouldn't even begin to set it up again at that point.
Tom: Podcast stopped a while ago, it's novelty at this point ':(
Sébastien: Ah, we'll see. I'll ask Teague for news tomorrow
Andrew: Jeez.
Sébastien: Remember Holden plays with powers we mortals cannot begin to fathom. We shall trust the Holden.
Sébastien: Silver lining, it got him to tweet about something else than baseball for once!
Andrew: Hah
Sébastien: Boter you traitor!
Sébastien: Now my forum profile will "accide ntally" be gone too
Andrew: Totes GD's fault, yesiree, Holden would never, though clearly he has killed for less
Andrew: Hey at least knowing what's up, we know where we can hold that "picnic".
David: Well that's bullsharl
David: *bullshark
Tom: We have altered them. Pray we do not alter them any further.
Owen: Wait, what about your dick?!?
David: Writhyn: We should just preface our comments thus so it feels more like home.
David: Writhyn: .....(ಥ﹏ಥ)
Andrew: Boter: stop I can only take so much at once, I mean I already did the - - - - - topic separator up there. Oh but also we should keep a character limit in mi
David: Writhyn:
Jimmy: Wait... what is happening?
Tom: Aggressive negotiations  c
Jimmy: Ah, ok, as you were.
Owen: Forum is down.
Owen: Everyone panics.
Owen: Holden working on it.
Owen: All caught up now tongue
Jimmy: Yeah, I noticed it was down, I figured it would just be back up later, lol
Chris: BigDamnArtist: Also forum is down, GoDaddy might have lost all the backups? So site maybe not coming back up?
Chris: BigDamnArtist: Everybody panics.
Alex: Snail: The End is Nigh!!
Jimmy: Except me. I'm pretty chill.
Chris: BigDamnArtist:  mean, I guess we were all kinda waiting for who the third death yesterday was gonna be, just wasn't expecting it to be the FIYH forum.
Jimmy: Ha. Also, aww. And I like that folk are typing their usernames.
Sébastien: Waaaay too lazy for that.
Jimmy: Who am I? I don't know.
Alex: Snail: we are our usernames.
Sébastien: People will just have to remember I'm Kibouchi.
Jimmy: I'm Teague.
Martin: I'm Teague and so is my wife.
Chris: tbf, I've never seen Martin and Teague in the same room. So puts on tinfoil hat
Sébastien: I've never seen you in any room.
Sébastien: You don't exist.
Jimmy: I've seen them on the same video call but that could have been faked.
Jimmy: Also, I said I'm Teague first... but it was a big fat lie. I'm Trey.
Jimmy: Oh wait, this means I posted that Rodney Dangerfield photo on the forums for nothing, nothing, I say!
David: Writhyn: Ich bin ein Teague
Tom: I'm dickweed, or whatever Owen's called these days.
Tom: main site is sort of back up
David: Writhyn: This is the most active the "chat box" has been in a while big_smile
Tom: Hahaha
Tom: Truth
Tom: Also easier to keep track of
David: Writhyn:...again, though, I feel less comfortable joking about a suicide picnic on Messenger
David: Writhyn: and where would I be without the friends in my head joking about suicide picnics?? I ask you!
Tom: Hahahahaha
Tom: Coward
Tom: I need the board back up so saniss can post the chat log we had yesterday
Jimmy: I am so out of the loop with these inside gags, lol. nobody's fault but my own, of course.
David: Hyacinth: Nor'easter
David: Writhyn: That was the working title for the sequel btw
Tom: Not to worry, we're still flying half a ship
Tom: Also boards are back up


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Indeed, thank you guys so much! For a space of time there was the prospect of having *nothing* and my heart sank - last bastion of a pre-social media internet experience. There's only around a dozen of us on here as regulars but y'all mean a lot to me as a community. Thank thank thank you to Holden, Teague, and anyone else responsible for keeping this place going.


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I really like it! Gets things happening sooner, a couple more repetitions of the stakes isn't bad.


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Better to be a pain now rather than after release. "Why didn't you say anything earlier?!?!~"

May be a regional thing. I do think that there is a certain *style* of expressiveness that is allowed/encouraged, becoming this generation's dress shirt and tie. My boss is from the Seattle area and has that sort of sense about him. Me living in the northeast, meanwhile, I don't see how my sneakers are less casual than his leather flip-flops.

But as far as, everyone has this designer brand shades and so forth, while I see a more casual expressiveness to the creatives in my area, at least in my industry, there isn't any sort of judgmentalism or classism based on what exactly you're wearing.

Ugh. Yeah, that's a free-to-play business model and anyone buying into it in a game they've already spent full price on should be drawn and quartered.


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I was worried it'd be piercing, and I feel like IRL it *would*, but obviously it can't be from a listening standpoint. I also like how it just stops at the end with a tiny little tail; reminds me of Andrew Huang's 100 Layers of SFX video, where one of the effects was craziness until it just STOPPED abruptly.


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There was one part that felt a bit loose - where one character interrupts another, or it felt like one was waiting for the other to come in. I'll see if I can track it down. Ah, it was Argus saying, "You're way out of line, Con," I felt like it should push in on Grimm's line a bit so that Argus is backing Grimm up more quickly. Might be one or two more but that was the one that I noticed the most.

The first dialogue between Grimm and Con feels a bit awkward to me - like two people acting, rather than a conversation. I'm not sure if that's just me knowing that they're both being played by the same person.

I love the sound design. That squealer sound is awesome, I love six different things about it. With Con in the center, Finch and Argus on the right, and Grimm and Dread on the left, I'm able to visualize things pretty well.

And of course, the funny moments land really well.

I'd argue that Mass Effect codified a certain look that is currently all the rage in sci-fi design. Muich as you couldn't throw a dead cat around sci-fi in the early 80s without hitting Star Wars and Star Wars homages/ripoffs, Mass Effect is there from at least a design standpoint. (It being a tremendously solid game as a new IP helped at the time too.)

But since we can't have anything nice, people complaining about the last game made them put sequel plans on hiatus, so if you're lucky, in a few more years another new "look" will come around that everybody will crib from.

Of course d00d.


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Yeah, JW was the movie that came to mind where it had a previous movie in the 90s largely unmolested but I couldn't find a great comparison side by side that already existed.

Oh, I thought you were talking about subscription boxes like Loot Crate. They used to be a cool way to get a bunch of overstocked but still neat merch around a specific theme that month. Now they're stuffed exclusives, which cost them more to make and thus result in less stuff in each box.

I only subscribed to Loot Crate because I did unboxing videos. I opened one just on its own and it was the most underwhelming thing. We tried Bark Box but nothing in it was right for our dog at the time.

And I have no desire to go for a similar concept, meals-in-a-box. Overpriced and far too niche.


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I'd be interested in that. I remember A Scanner Darkly playing around with the craft of film, I could see it being done here.

Frankly my favorite part of the film would probably be when it's using high-quality film stock but not overly graded.


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I was gonna say next time.

But I might have some pickle juice.



Alright, not gonna back you up on that. I half-assed it with what I had (non-chilled vodka, strained some relish), but that wasn't promising enough for me to go, "Not bad, I'll have to do it right next time."

One more facet of the early internet: at least one community I was on used straight HTML formatting for its forum posts. Which was great for learning HTML. And not so great for, "Someone forgot to close a tag and now the thread is broken."



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Praxus, I'll agree with you in that Star Wars doesn't feel special anymore. It's great fun and I'll always love the OT, and enjoy the PT, and probably watch movies as they release, and wow that deescalated quickly. When it was those three movies, and stories being told around them, it was great. Now there's so much and... it's just another franchise.

It's a franchise I enjoy, don't get me wrong. Until one burns me for being totally unnecessary (ugh Obi-Wan really) I'll probably see them all as they release, but they'll need to hook me. I enjoy Marvel movies, but each one has to hook me on its own at this point and there are so many that I have no desire to sit and watch them all, like I did with Phase 1, or like I did with Star Wars OT and PT in college.

Alright we're getting off track here. I don't know if it's been said, but I'd like a remake of The Last Starfighter. Everyone raves about it but trying to watch it for the first time a couple years ago it was just far too 80s, as a barrier to entry. If done right I think it'd be a good piece for a generation that grew up with home video games.

The only teen-focused sci-fi show with three characters instead of five is VR Troopers, but that's not with mechs, sorry.


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The only reason I enjoyed playing Dark Souls 3 last year was that I was doing so on stream to raise money for St. Jude and people got to commiserate (and offer advice). I hit a dead end about five or seven hours in and just stopped, and I'm happy to never return to it. I don't mind difficulty but it was just too much for me personally.


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Meanwhile I, a gamer, had a friend over a couple weeks ago and we played Halo 3 ODST start to finish, wrapping at 5:30AM.


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Ah, I'll have to keep this in mind. I have answers for some previous prompts (faith: "My very religious girlfriend wanted to help me explore my faith and go from casual believer to active believer and I ended up discovering I was atheist instead") but will have to think about the current ones.

Alright, here goes. What fictional work has most changed your life?

I'll probably say Star Wars. Big shocker. I grew up with the Original Trilogy and reading the Expanded Universe, begged my parents to go see the Special Editions in theaters (well, begged is strong, I wanted and they easily said yes, Dad being the one who got me into it and all), and I looked forward to and truly enjoyed the prequels. To summarize the path my life took after Attack of the Clones came out:

2002: We started coming up with lightsaber choreography. We pondered making a movie out of it. I discovered fanfilms. And that... normal people could do this.

2003: I participated in the local FanForce group, and met people in other groups. One of those was Justin Monk, aka Primrodo, as my ears heard the word "fanfilm" across the gymnasium while preparing to march in the Grape and Wine Parade in Niagara Falls.

2004: I became friends with Justin, and he invited me to help film a fanfilm he was working on, Lost Soul. (The second project to go by that name, and like the first never destined to be completed.)

2005: Through Justin, both on Lost Soul and at the beginning of a new project in 2005, I met the members of what would eventually become Key Pixel Gathering of Filmmakers. We'd go on to create movies together for a strong five years, and even for a few years after that. The main creative force behind this - the one who had the most interesting (if not the most polished) ideas and the most able to light fires under asses - was Laszlo Kovacs, aka Covax as he went by online. Through Covax and his online community, Writer's Block Media, I met more new friends - they weren't necessarily Star Wars people, but a direct line could be traced back. In the WBM community, I met a girl, Steph N., who was dating another member at the time. Slowly, I fell for her. (Couldn't have been that slowly though, looking back, man.) Her relationship fell apart over the course of the year, I was there for her, I got the girl as we started dating in fall of 2005.

Also in 2005, I switched my major from computer science to... well, that's not important, but it's when I realized that programming wasn't for me, but film was. I made video projects for class and got more people into it. I took the one film class offered at my school at the time (and, having learned my craft at the school of TF.N FanFilms, almost knew more than the professor teaching it). But I stayed because of the social life, even if it wasn't the ideal school for what I'd discovered I wanted to do, because of the love for filmmaking that Star Wars had ignited years prior.

2006: Did I mention that almost all of the names here have been Canadian, and I ended up crossing the border a lot during this time in my life (no Tom, I'm not Canadian, though the joke was that I was an Honourary Canadian at the time). "Visiting my girlfriend," I'd say to customs agents (when the purpose wasn't for filming Stargate: Hades, which would end up being a baker's dozen of weekends that year and into the beginning of the next). "How did you meet your girlfriend?" I'd look back on this chain of events and be tempted to say, "Star Wars," but would often just say, "A mutual friend." Sometimes I'd have to offer the abbreviated version of all of that anyway.

From 2007 on, that direct line - Star Wars to fanfilms to friends to making movies to communities to the girl - became more blurred. Steph and I stopped dating in May of 2007. (I started dating my now-wife, also named Steph, that October - yes, our ten year anniversary is coming up shortly and I'm excited for that. As for the first Steph, she's now married to someone else named Andrew. I guess we found the wrong ones the first time around.) I work in wedding films - not directly related to Star Wars at all but it can still trace its reasoning back to holding a camera, pointing it at a friend waving a stick around in a forest.

I still have most of the friends I've made along the way. And I do still truly enjoy Star Wars. I may not have a Star Wars job or a Star Wars life, but I carry it with me. I mean, when my wife and I entered the reception hall at our wedding, we entered under an arch of lightsabers held by our best friends. That's pretty special.

Alright, let's try to keep it to four prompts. We have:

Worst work related incident?
Weirdest booze?
Most ironic thing that's ever happened to you?
What is something you did that you once deeply regretted, but now are glad you did? (NEW)


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For the record, the wedding editing process hasn't changed since my previous post, we've just gotten better at every step along the way. Especially color correction ugh. Oh and we use even more cameras sometimes.

Everyone here pretty well covered my internet nostalgia. Different communities; TF.N, PlanetDescent (or PlanetWhatever, before Gamespy took over the network). Microsoft Internet Gaming Zone for Age of Empires and sometimes other things. Playing "minerva" in Descent II and getting whooped. Downloading mod after mod for Half-Life, some total conversions of which I want to go back and try to find today.

Things were both more centralized - your community for something would be in one specific place (fanfilms) - and more spread out, as you'd be in many different communities. Now everything is all together - YouTube, Facebook - but everything is all together. Elite: Dangerous videos mix it up with science videos. Fellow LCC producers are in the same News Feed as my aunt. It's both more convenient and more overwhelming, due to it being less tidy and segmented.


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So I picked up a Samsung Gear VR headset a few weeks ago for fifteen bucks, and have been dropping a dollar here and there for, mostly, movies. This one stuck with me the most, reminding me of Writhyn's Hyacinth project. This being a VR movie, as these are still in their infancy, I'll try to split up the review into first the technical side, then the movie itself.


The movie does a great job of using the VR environment. The meat of it plays out in real-time, as you're seated behind the screens of your exploratory vessel deep within the asteroid. The ship moves but you have a stationary reference point of all of your stuff. However, there's a sequence that montages from outside the asteroid to more than 800m into it (if I recall correctly, there was a distance-to-beacon on a screen that I noticed). This is done with a slowly moving camera as the vessel passes beneath you, floats past pillars in the distance, or comes up right alongside you. Each shot, by necessity I think, fades to black in between - not just keeping you from getting disorieted with a hard cut but also effectively using the language of film to denote the passage of time.

The Film

You're inspecting an asteroid, it's not super well-lit, shadows abound, and there's creepy music. If you think that something spooky is going to happen, you'd be right. It's just a seven minute film and while it's gorgeous and the sound design is great, it doesn't get inventive with what to do with its premise. If I were watching it on a screen, I'd probably enjoy it but wouldn't really think about it too much afterward.

It's immersive by way of being a VR movie, and what it does it does quite well. It just could have done more.